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Ron Dough
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« Reply #30 on: 11:20:01, 04-09-2008 »

(Meanwhile, public transport costs have increased hugely over the same time, and in some areas has largely disappeared, with the effect that the poorest third of society who do not have access to a car have less to spend once they get to the shops and are more inclined to buy in bulk, going for packaged food as a result).

Rather than a bus, it's often a taxi for the supermarket in any case, so that more can be carried at a time, with less far to lug stuff at either end: on the other hand this means even less exercise.

More calories in, fewer calories burnt equals more fat stored in the body: it's as simple as that.

It amazes me how many people don't "get" this simple fact. People go on the weirdest diets, buy all kind of slimming aids and specially-marketed (often fraudulently marketed) snacks and foods,

  But that's the power of advertising for you, and the insidious nature of commercial food companies: having made their money out of selling cheap rubbish to customers thereby helping them pile on the pounds, they then make even more by selling them these slimmers' 'solutions' at a premium.
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« Reply #31 on: 11:34:24, 04-09-2008 »

Gentlemen, your basic premise is correct: eat less, lose weight. However, it is definitely not as simple as that. You have to take into account that eating can be an addictive disorder, particularly in times of emotional discomfort. You have to factor in the psychology of eating and addiction to see why it is so much harder to get the weight off than if you just look at the 'less calories' view.

Yes, Martin: once the fat's there, it's not so easy to move: that's very true. But obesity is a problem mushrooming in the young, many of whom now have weight problems at school-age where previously the weight's tended to arrive later in life (middle-aged spread  Roll Eyes). This huge increase in juvenile obesity is directly proportional to the rise in consumption of poor foods and simultaneous decrease in the amount of exercise that many of them take.
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« Reply #32 on: 11:41:05, 04-09-2008 »

This is all so true. It is actually very simple, at least if there aren't big psychological problems. I'm constantly astonished by the contents of some people's trolleys in supermarkets - mountains of junk food and junk soft drinks. I'm also amazed that people aren't more vain. I wouldn't allow myself to get fat, because it would sap my confidence hugely. People aren't careful what they wear, either, so we see great rolls of fat clearly displayed in sleeveless tops, T-shirts and tight jeans, which would be much less visible (though still there, of course) in different clothes. Do they never look in a mirror?
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« Reply #33 on: 12:00:35, 04-09-2008 »

It does seem unfortunate that the increase in bulging waistlines has coincided with a fashion for wearing trousers very low on the hips along with too-short tops.  Undecided

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« Reply #34 on: 12:16:12, 04-09-2008 »

It does seem unfortunate that the increase in bulging waistlines has coincided with a fashion for wearing trousers very low on the hips along with too-short tops.  Undecided



God that's true!  Some of the sights to be seen round here are embarrassing in the extreme.  Young girls too!  I often think that if they're that big between 15 and 25, surely they're never going to get rid of the extra weight?  I was talking to a youngster the other day when a very very large young friend came up to us, pushing a toddler in a buggy.  She joyously announced to her friend that she was expecting another.  How times have changed.  When I was having my children (many moons ago) it was dinged into us that we were not to eat for two and that we were not to put on loads of extra weight.  We were more than encouraged to shed the baby weight very quickly after the birth too - although I found that breast-feeding does that for you.

I don't understand what on earth has happened really.  We're only talking about what's happened in the last 20-30 years.  Of my generation, all my friends without exception whose children are the same age as mine, are slim to medium.  There is no-one who could be classed as obese at all.  Funnily enough though, going on from there....none of the offspring are either.  My family are all slim too.  So are we talking about genetics here?  Post code? Education? Luck?  Huh
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« Reply #35 on: 12:17:50, 04-09-2008 »

Mary, perhaps the gentleness of your nature makes you less aware of the modern capacity for self-deception. Even a five-minute glimpse of any of the talent-shows now cramming our TV schedules is likely to reveal at least a couple of wannabees totally convinced that they're the next big thing in singing who make it instantly and embarrassingly plain they're no such thing the moment they open their mouths.

So far as your 'fashion models' are concerned, they probably do look in mirrors, but are afflicted with some sort of Emperor's New Clothes syndrome in reverse: they only see the clothes: to them they make the body disappear.
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« Reply #36 on: 12:28:10, 04-09-2008 »

I'm not all that gentle, Ron! You are right about the "talent" shows, of course, and I suspect that, as with obesity, there is a connection between self-deception and education, postcode and (whisper it) social class.

The greatly increased use of the car must make a big difference, too. My kids walked (miles) to school, with me before they were old enough to go alone. So did most of their friends. Now, there are traffic jams outside the school.
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« Reply #37 on: 12:46:26, 04-09-2008 »

One of the heartening things that's happened here in the last couple of years is the 'walking bus' for local primary school children: a rota of adults helps to lead ever-growing crocodiles of kids from their homes to the schools in the morning, and back in the afternoon. Many of the High School pupils walk or cycle, too, but we're a small town, with relatively little through traffic: the main road is a couple of miles inland and the layout of the streets is not conducive to speedy driving.
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« Reply #38 on: 13:08:09, 04-09-2008 »

Our walk to school would be within reason I suppose - two miles - but the weather has been so appalling this year I couldn't make him trudge all that way with a heavy school bag and PE kit and sit in wet clothes all day.  Then tired out, to have to walk home. 

Fortunately he's sporty and active anyway and my exercise is running the home and walking the dog.   It just seems so easy really.  You eat it up, you burn it up......
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« Reply #39 on: 13:14:52, 04-09-2008 »

bush does 6 miles a day on the running machine

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« Reply #40 on: 20:00:38, 04-09-2008 »

given his essentially simian provenance, as illustrated by steve bell, isn't it in fact a climbing frame?
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« Reply #41 on: 20:29:31, 04-09-2008 »

I think genetics do play a part.  My Father was, at 6'2" the shortest  of five boys, none of which had a spare pound of flesh.  My siblings and I (apart from one one brother) have inherited this trait.  The cuckoo in the nest is said brother, but my Mother always said he was a changeling that she found on Cader Idris being cared for by rooks and she took pity.  However, if you cannot afford to eat a varied and healthy diet then genetics fly out of the window.  Oh, just reminded me what's that novel ? Love on the Dole?  When poverty arrives love flies out of the window.

Well, when poverty arrives slimness flies out of the window

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« Reply #42 on: 22:55:51, 04-09-2008 »

When poverty comes in the door, love flies out of the window.  That's how I remember the quote.  Money worries certainly put intolerable stress on family situations.  I remember that from my "matrimonial years" in the legal office.  I hated that time.  It was five years of unmitigated misery.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #43 on: 10:38:06, 05-09-2008 »

And Ruby!!!! Lincoln!  I'll have you know that little Milly was born there just round the corner from the Cathedral up the steepest hill that ever was.   No fatties round there!

(Having said that erm...I'm a five-footer and size 12 when I should only be an 8-10.  Embarrassed (However, I'm working on it! Albeit half-heartedly  Grin)
Ah you see they're all thin up the hill.  It's just that it's about the only hill in Lincolnshire...  Wink
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« Reply #44 on: 11:41:45, 05-09-2008 »

So are we talking about genetics here?  Post code? Education? Luck?  Huh
A bit of all of those I suspect.  I'm sure there are a myriad of reasons but from where I live I can see a clear link between poverty and weight. I know my comment above about uphill Lincoln was made slightly jokingly, but it's actually true - people are noticeably trimmer up the hill.  It probably has more to do with the fact that the houses are significantly more expensive in the cathedral quarter. 

I think the psychological element also includes comparison.  If your friends and family are quite big, then it becomes normal to be quite big too.  My ex's mum and sister are quite large and were perpetually telling me I was going to waste away, even when I went up to size 14 for a bit - I was just small by comparison.

Other comments about cheap food being the rubbish are absolutely true too - If you're trying to feed a family on benefits it's going to be tricky to resist a BOGOF on oven chips or chicken nuggets.  I think it's a vicious circle as well - once you start eating rubbish and taking no exercise you don't have the energy or motivation to do anything else.
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