Reiner Torheit
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"I was, for several months, mutely in love with a coloratura soprano, who seemed to me to have wafted straight from Paradise to the stage of the Odessa Opera-House" - Leon Trotsky, "My Life"
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trained-pianist
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« Reply #1 on: 21:43:40, 02-10-2008 » |
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It is very interesting article for me, Reiner. There is something in what he says that I agree with.
I don't know James MacMilan's music. I should try to listen to his music. Thank you for posting this article.
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Antheil
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« Reply #2 on: 21:59:41, 02-10-2008 » |
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There is something in what he says that I agree with.
I don't know James MacMilan's music.
And what is it that you agree with t-p?
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Reality, sa molesworth 2, is so sordid it makes me shudder
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trained-pianist
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« Reply #4 on: 22:10:42, 02-10-2008 » |
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I think spirituality is a good thing. I don't like dogmatic religious fanatical people, but there is different kind of spirituality. I don't know how to explain that.
Also about conformity in young people. I probably disagree with that. Students that I teach do conform to the tastes of majority, but also they have their own views and ideas. I don't know how it is possible to combine both, but this is what I see.
May be we all have both conformity and individuality (independence). I don't really know. I am just thinking.
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« Reply #5 on: 22:12:58, 02-10-2008 » |
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Er, who are these atheist liberals? They look like a lot of straw men to me. After all, we live in a society in which Christian worship is still compulsory in schools, faith schools are on the increase, and the last Prime Minister but one was a practising Christian who defended the teaching of creationism. Blair and Blunkett sought actively to promote legislation that would effectively ban the public criticism of religion. I should have thought that the boot was somewhat on the other foot. And if Macmillan's claim that seventy percent of the population regard themselves as religious is true, why all those empty pews?
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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Antheil
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« Reply #6 on: 22:17:38, 02-10-2008 » |
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I think spirituality is a good thing. I don't like dogmatic religious fanatical people, but there is different kind of spirituality. I don't know how to explain that.
I don't really know. I am just thinking.
So is Sprituality to you ear candles and Tai Chi and joss sticks? Some sort of nebulous hippy drippy chakra kind of thing?
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Reality, sa molesworth 2, is so sordid it makes me shudder
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« Reply #7 on: 22:20:03, 02-10-2008 » |
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I think spirituality is a good thing. I don't like dogmatic religious fanatical people, but there is different kind of spirituality. I don't know how to explain that.
I don't really know. I am just thinking.
So is Sprituality to you ear candles and Tai Chi and joss sticks? Some sort of nebulous hippy drippy chakra kind of thing? Works for me, Anty.
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Green. Always green.
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trained-pianist
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« Reply #8 on: 22:23:14, 02-10-2008 » |
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No, Antheil, It is not candles. Spirituality is inside human soul and doesn't have much to do with candles and joss sticks. Spirituality is what makes a man different from an animal. What is important is the soul.
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« Last Edit: 22:24:54, 02-10-2008 by trained-pianist »
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Antheil
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« Reply #9 on: 22:26:50, 02-10-2008 » |
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Right on Marty x 3 times Mysore Arbatti Agarbatti Rose. "Don't call me Rose!"
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Reality, sa molesworth 2, is so sordid it makes me shudder
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Lord Byron
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« Reply #10 on: 22:29:11, 02-10-2008 » |
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No, Antheil, It is not candles. Spirituality is inside human soul and doesn't have much to do with candles and joss sticks. Spirituality is what makes a man different from an animal. What is important is the soul.
humans do feel something,sometimes, maslow called it 'peak experiences', blake had visions, it is all to do with the nature of reality, really, it could be that in day to day life, we only see what we want to see, blocking out the rest, as it does not match our tiny view of how things 'should be' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_experience"Peak experience is a term used to describe certain transpersonal and ecstatic states, particularly ones tinged with themes of unification, harmonization and interconnectedness. Participants characterize these experiences, and the revelations imparted therein, as possessing an ineffably mystical (or overtly religious) quality or essence."
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« Reply #11 on: 22:30:27, 02-10-2008 » |
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It is very interesting article for me, Reiner. There is something in what he says that I agree with.
I don't know James MacMilan's music. I should try to listen to his music. Thank you for posting this article.
I've heard some of his music and enjoyed listening to it, t-p. On the basis of what I read in the linked article I would suggest that as a philosopher he makes quite a good musician. I'm wary of judging people on selective quotes which they have no opportunity to substantiate; but this looks like yet another case of religious sour grapes at the fact that they no longer have a privileged position from which to preach at the rest of us. How long have Roman Catholics believed in pluralism anyway? My guess is that it's approximately since they realised that sectarianism wouldn't wash any more. When I was a kid there was no hope of heaven for Jews and Proddydogs unless they saw the light; and as for atheists, communists etc, well it was just a shame they couldn't go to hell before they died as they so richly deserved. <<I believe it is God's divine spark which kindles the musical imagination now, as it has always done...>> Well, he has the right to believe that, but there's absolutely no reason why he should expect anyone else to do so. To me it looks like meaningless waffle and if he advances such an opinion people are entitled to ask him to express it in terms that can actually be understood without recourse to nebulous concepts like 'faith'. Of course, if some people are less than polite when asking for that explanation that could just be because some atheists, like some religious people, are ruder than others. As for 'secular liberal elites' maybe he could remind us how many seats in parliament are reserved for atheists.
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Lord Byron
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« Reply #12 on: 22:36:09, 02-10-2008 » |
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Darwin says that 'variety under nature is the norm' therefore you would expect, in any society, a mix of faiths, including a belief in non belief, therefore, it would not be consistent with darwinian theory, if everyone became an atheist.
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« Reply #13 on: 22:49:24, 02-10-2008 » |
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I like that thought, lb.
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Lord Byron
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« Reply #14 on: 23:01:12, 02-10-2008 » |
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It does have a nice bit of logic to it, and i would like to point out, darwins wife was a regular at church,and they had a very happy marriage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_DarwinInteresting to note she studied piano with chopin. Darwin himself, always said he was agnostic, meaning ' i have no idea, to be honest, and i can admit that i don't know and probably never will'. I strongly suspect, he was rather lucky, to have emma.
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