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Author Topic: James MacMillan: "Atheist Liberals mean to drive religion out of popular life"  (Read 1512 times)
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« Reply #45 on: 18:25:37, 04-10-2008 »

Thanks, MrY. I must get round to reading Nietzsche.
Divvent bother yersell man. Try the Owld/New Testaments. Methinks they are much more thaumaturgical. Sad

Or even better, read the Bible first, then read Nietzsche  Roll Eyes.

As a son of the manse, I did plenty of Bible reading (and Bible study) in my youth. I have little inclination to return to it.
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« Reply #46 on: 20:49:24, 04-10-2008 »

Thanks, MrY. I must get round to reading Nietzsche.
Divvent bother yersell man. Try the Owld/New Testaments. Methinks they are much more thaumaturgical. Sad

Or even better, read the Bible first, then read Nietzsche  Roll Eyes.

As a son of the manse, I did plenty of Bible reading (and Bible study) in my youth. I have little inclination to return to it.
Then do I have a Nietzsche book for you!

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« Reply #47 on: 20:49:56, 04-10-2008 »

But you knew that ...

You flatter me, sir.
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« Reply #48 on: 21:22:22, 05-10-2008 »

The Reverend Dawkins

Eek! The Reverend Richard Dawkins, or the Reverend Professor Dawkins, but PURLEASE never Reverend Dawkins.  Barbara Pym would not approve of that at all, George.
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« Reply #49 on: 22:29:19, 05-10-2008 »

Whoops! I stand rightly chastised and chastened. You can tell I'm only an outsider with my nose pressed up against the stained glass windows. 
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« Reply #50 on: 11:22:03, 06-10-2008 »

Not the first time you have overstepped the line, George.....

     
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« Reply #51 on: 22:10:45, 19-10-2008 »

Expert self publicist that he is, MacMillan presents the Sandford St Martin Lecture on Radio 4 on Wednesday at 20.00 in which he "talks about religion's important place in public life, particularly in its' ability to inspire people through classical music." Plenty of scope for annoyance there I should think.
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« Reply #52 on: 22:18:01, 19-10-2008 »

And I'd be annoyed because I think religion is a vitally important part of being human.  If you kick it out the front door, it creeps in at the back, often in unhealthy forms.  Like the nineteenth century regarded sex.

To mistake the significance of classical music with that of religion is the mistake of cultural liberals.

Religion, like sex or politics, can cause untold misery.  But just denying its power, is missing the point.
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« Reply #53 on: 00:11:38, 20-10-2008 »

Plenty of scope for annoyance there I should think.

Yes indeed, though I don't think I'll be bothering to listen to JM making an utter fool of himself once again.

To mistake the significance of classical music with that of religion is the mistake of cultural liberals.

So... you mean... Macmillan is sounding off against these liberals but in reality he actually IS one? The plot thickens.

Just because a particular kind of behaviour doesn't directly result in reproduction doesn't imply that it's "working against reproduction".

No, though the latter might be judged a subset of the former, and even the most sophistical might have difficulty arguing that homosexuality doesn't 'work against reproduction'.

I don't agree, and I don't think it requires any sophistry at all. One factor behind the flourishing of a population of organisms (and therefore genes) may be the presence of a certain variability in that population which is of benefit in some way to the population as a whole - even though it might involve some members of the population not reproducing - and therefore that variability itself would be selected for by evolution. Of course it isn't clear what place homosexuality might have in such a scheme, but the factors involved are fantastically complicated. However, to see examples of non-reproducing individuals having arisen through natural selection (and therefore being of benefit to the propagation of the genes of the population, rather than "working against reproduction") you only need to look at bees.
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« Reply #54 on: 01:32:05, 20-10-2008 »

Personally I can not see any future in Atheism at all unless you build a Temple to it.
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« Reply #55 on: 12:46:26, 20-10-2008 »

"Liberalism" is a very sloppy term that can mean all sorts of things from just being nice and tolerant to having specific views in matters of politics, theology etc, and perhaps I shouldn't have used it.  I don't think Macmillan should have used it either.

By "cultural liberals" I meant Matthew Arnold and those following him.

Liberalism is a set of standing orders, not an agenda.  Discuss (elsewhere).
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« Reply #56 on: 14:21:24, 20-10-2008 »

Liberalism is a set of standing orders, not an agenda.  Discuss (elsewhere).
Not one implemented and operated by the - er - banks, one hopes (oops, sorry - wrong thread!)...
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« Reply #57 on: 14:42:19, 20-10-2008 »

Homosexuality's a tricky one though!

I'm not aware that any genetic component of homosexuality has been established beyond doubt.

Exactly; far from being "genetic" it is on the contrary simply the discerning man's conscious choice of "life-style." He goes into it with eyes open. Heterosexuality is for the unimaginative; homosexuality is a great deal more fun. Every thinking person should participate!
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« Reply #58 on: 14:47:03, 20-10-2008 »

By thinking about it, I take it?
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« Reply #59 on: 16:16:02, 20-10-2008 »

Homosexuality's a tricky one though!

I'm not aware that any genetic component of homosexuality has been established beyond doubt.

Exactly; far from being "genetic" it is on the contrary simply the discerning man's conscious choice of "life-style." He goes into it with eyes open. Heterosexuality is for the unimaginative; homosexuality is a great deal more fun. Every thinking person should participate!


Indeed! One need only look to the British homosexualist school of composers to be appraised of what quality this life-style choice betokens. First raters all, are not they?
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