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Author Topic: AIDA ... is it any good ?  (Read 2103 times)
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« Reply #15 on: 10:09:18, 02-08-2007 »

(Mind you I'm not sure how they'd do the procession in Iraq - just tanks?)

I've seen it done with tanks - the colosally unsuccessful 'Bosnian War' production I mentioned had one, plus 4 armoured cars and a half-track.  Still failed, though.  You can hint at this kind of despotic modern regime more effectively through good costumes (fatigues, black berets, backpacks, semi-automatic weapons, and that most vicious attribute of all mad regimes...Rayban Aviator sunglasses Wink ) and this worked well in the 'Mubarak' production I saw.  The nastiest (and most credible?) aspect of that was the idea of having the Grand March as a parade of child soldiers, all giving fascist salutes....

Hehehehe, outdoor shows are always prey to the elements (and overhead aircraft, police sirens etc) Smiley)  I saw an ANNA BOLENA in Londond 3 years ago in the open air...including a seagull landing on the stage in ront of Cardinal Wolsey Wink

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« Reply #16 on: 10:45:58, 02-08-2007 »

Ho!  I agree entirely with Il Grande Inquisitor regarding the Busseto Aida.  This fine performance I found meaningful and sincere with principals displaying a real love for the work.  The "over the top" productions seem shallow in comparison. 
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« Reply #17 on: 13:08:57, 02-08-2007 »

Jane Eaglen once said she'd counted that Aida is on stage for exactly 18 minutes... whereas Amneris is almost never offstage.



Huh

From memory, the only time Amneris is on stage without Aida is the very beginning, and the judgment scene.  Aida has two arias, and is on for all the Nile scene, singing away most of the time.

Aida was the first proper opera I saw, on a school trip to Rome in my teens at the Baths of Caracalla.

I loved it, but was disappointed that I didn't remember any of the music other than the Grand March.  It inspired me to buy my first opera box set with Toscannini.  I believe the High Priestess on that set was Teresa Stich Randall, whose death was mentioned a few days ago here.  (I may have got the spelling wrong.)
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« Reply #18 on: 22:52:04, 02-08-2007 »

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From memory, the only time Amneris is on stage without Aida is the very beginning, and the judgment scene

And the whole of Act II  Wink   But I agree, 18 mins seems an underestimate (I think it depends who the producer has done things... I have seen Aida being dragged around in chains from the opening curtain onwards).

It's one of the few operas where I actually like the opera ballet, and miss it when it's cut. Wink
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« Reply #19 on: 12:59:44, 03-08-2007 »

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And the whole of Act II 

I remain confused.  Act II Scene 1 starts with the ballet of Slaves (who of course were all blacked up, whoops, at Caracalla) and yes Amneris is on her tod.  But Aida comes on and most of the scene is their duet.  Scene 2 is the triumph scene, where I think Aida gets more to sing than Amneris. (Mio padre!!)

As an impressionable teenager returning from Rome on a night train, it was a theme from the ballet that kept running through my head.
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« Reply #20 on: 18:40:36, 03-08-2007 »

I think singers tend of the times they're 'on' (and not biting their nails in a dressing-room)...  I think a lot of productions really play-up Ameris's role and keep her 'on' nearly all the time, so Aidas can get a mite jealous Smiley

I once did a stripped-down version for touring to small spaces (in order to get into regions where there's no opera theatre) and I must plead guilty as charged to the above...it was entirely Amneris's show.  But we only had a cast of five anyhow Smiley  Probably the predominance of Amneris's involvement remains over-emphasised as a result Wink

Her 'commentary' during that final duet is a master-stroke, isn't it?  A lesser composer wouldn't have thought of it.  It's also very neat as a story-teller's device...we began with Amneris, and we end with her..but she has moved-on as a person, and can forgive Radames.
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« Reply #21 on: 10:06:30, 04-08-2007 »

  But we only had a cast of five anyhow Smiley  Probably the predominance of Amneris's involvement remains over-emphasised as a result Wink


Let me guess.  You did the Triumph Scene on a video screen with the five characters watching?  Then Aida's dad pops out for real.  Wasn't that in some Woody Allen film?

I think I prefer the Act 1 ensemble to the Trimumph Scene "Sul del lido".  How did you manage that?
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« Reply #22 on: 13:58:17, 04-08-2007 »

The whole thing had to be done in a tiny space and without any changes of scenery - that was the "spec" for the show, over which I had no control.  So yes, I used pre-recorded clips for a lot of it...  the idea was to show how far we are the passive receivers of news from the TV,  yet often what is broadcast is "spun" for public consumption.  There were just two "spaces" - Amneris's hotel-room, and the corridor outside it (in which a lift provided one of the "entrances", and the lift itself provided a tiny third "space", rather like the "revealing-chamber" of a Jacobean theatre).  And of course there were some sizeable cuts - we never claimed we had presented the whole of AIDA with the resources we had available on such a tour.  I approached it from almost the other way - not "what should we cut?", but "how much can we preserve?", considering that the whole idea of doing the "grandest" of Grand Operas in such circs was fairly unconventional to start with Wink   The set also had to include lighting, as most of the places it played weren't theatres, and had no lighting of their own. 

I ought to point out that I didn't do any of this because I especially wanted to take the scalpel to Verdi's work or thought it gained anything from such treatment - the whole project was done in order to take live opera to areas and regions where there was little or no provision (for example, the West Country).   The decision was taken early in the project (not only by me, but by those who kicked it into play and funded it) that we would do better with "workshop versions" of well-known main works than obscure chamber pieces (I remember Cimarosa's THE SECRET MARRIAGE and Rimsky-Korsakov's MOZART & SALIERI were on the short-list). 

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Wasn't that in some Woody Allen film?

Sounds vaguely like PLAY IT AGAIN, SAM, but it's Bogey who pops out there, not Amonasro Wink  If you would like me to do an AIDA in which Bogey is Amonasro,  please let my agent know? Wink   I've often thought that anyone preparing to do Amneris could learn a lot from watching Joan Crawford in MILDRED PIERCE...
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« Reply #23 on: 10:42:55, 07-08-2007 »

reiner -

It reminds me irresistibly of Samuel Johnson on women preaching and dogs walking on hind legs - it is not done at all well, but one is suprised to find it done at all.

However, if I was living in Wadebridge, Tavistock or Bridport when your show came to town, I would have thanked heaven fasting.  Did you have to check out each village hall personally to see how your production would fit?  From what I know of you, I hope your pocket Aida had  passion, imagination and flair.
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« Reply #24 on: 11:16:23, 07-08-2007 »

I recently read that Ricordi are bringing out chamber-orchestra versions of lots of grand opera pieces (clever way for them to keep in-copyright versions circulating!). Don't know if they've quite gone so far as Reiner's Aida though. Wink
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« Reply #25 on: 15:36:14, 07-08-2007 »

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From what I know of you, I hope your pocket Aida had  passion, imagination and flair.

You're too kind, Don B  Wink   My approach to it was that we were given funding to do "touring concerts of arias from the grand operas, with five young soloists and piano", and in place of that rather anodyne set-up our audiences saw at least most of AIDA with a storyline that went from A to B  Wink   So it was more a question of "what could be done with what we had", than "how can we take a knife to AIDA".  I can promise you that given the resources, I would much rather have staged the complete work - someday I hope to have the chance Smiley    I was lucky enough to work with fabulous soloists on the show,  and we got some gripping performances...  it's a tribute to the strengths of the work that it survived such rough treatment so robustly.  It's a fantastic privilege to be able to work at such close quarters with an audience (at the ROH you'd pay £200+ to sit so close...) and to be able to mix with the audience afterwards.  We did a number of "schools matinees" as part of the run,  and once they'd calmed down (poor tenor with Celeste Aida right at the front of the show...) the reactions were startling.  Two red-eyed girls gave me a tough time about why I'd made the ending so tragic (I'd changed nothing, of course, but they didn't know that...) 

It had passion, at least...  Wink  I had Amneris (bravura performance from Linda McLeod) smashing the furniture to pieces at the end of the Judgement Scene...  I think she has to?  What else is all that stuff in the orchestra with those fortissimo trills about?

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« Reply #26 on: 16:12:36, 07-08-2007 »

Reiner - this brings back happy memories of performances in the 1980w by Scottish Opera's erstwhile outreach group, Opera-go-Round, which gave performances on a similar scale in village halls in the Highlands and Islands - including a memorable Don Carlos and a searing Jenufa (also with Linda McLeod giving her all as the Kostelnicka - what an extraordinary artist).  Again, packed village halls - I used to arrange trips north to visit relatives in that part of the world to coincide with the opera, and it was a talking-point in the village for weeks beforehand and afterwards - and , as you say, singers and audience in the sort of proximity that was all but inconceivable in a big house.

Coming back to London to the next routine revival at the ROH or ENO, the difference was often all too obvious ....
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« Reply #27 on: 22:01:48, 07-08-2007 »

Hi PW

Yes, in the wake of the Arts Council Report "The Glory Of The Garden" the 1980s saw an enormous flowering of this kind of work. For a while at least, there was a real commitment to provide opera to all parts of the country - not just the main cities.  Opera-Go-Round's work was definitely in the forefront,  as it gave the Arts Council a "model of good practice" to suggest to other companies.  Linda McLeod was a star, and she gave her all not only in the performances, but also in interaction before and afterwards with schools groups - I think she must have prompted quite a few youngsters to take singing lessons and give it a try?!   She sang a very moving Suzuki with "my lot" too Smiley 

I completely agree with you about the "proximity" thing...  sadly very few people can ever afford "very good" seats for opera, from which you can see the facial expressions and acting clearly.  These touring shows...  in which the audience sat just 10 feet from the performers...  brought the drama to life, and clearly asserted the value of live performance. 
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« Reply #28 on: 10:50:49, 25-08-2007 »

This new production of Aida seems to have garnered some critical acclaim. Gramophone made it their DVD of the month and the BBC Music Mag also had a rave review. Interesting cast - I haven't heard Nina Stemme in Verdi before, only her Isolde. Never been convinced by Salvatore Licitra; neither had the late Alan Blyth either by the sound of it...'at last fulfilling his potential' is the promising phrase used.

http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//BAC022.htm

Also, if you remember the big second night walkout by Alagna at La Scala last December, here's a chance to find out how his first and only performance went:

http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//0743209.htm

Now, I somehow doubt that Decca will have included the opening to the second night as a DVD extra, but if they wanted to attract extra sales.... Tongue

Probably one to add to the rental lists in the first instance.
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« Reply #29 on: 11:14:51, 25-08-2007 »

This new production of Aida seems to have garnered some critical acclaim. Gramophone made it their DVD of the month and the BBC Music Mag also had a rave review. Interesting cast - I haven't heard Nina Stemme in Verdi before, only her Isolde. Never been convinced by Salvatore Licitra; neither had the late Alan Blyth either by the sound of it...'at last fulfilling his potential' is the promising phrase used.
George Hall in the new issue of Opera magazine is quite critical of Stemme in this DVD, but describes Luciana d'Intino's Amneris as "superbly authoritative", while Rick Jones in the Times said Stemme was "stupendous" and Licitra "impressive" but d'Intino "has a gear-change so marked that she sounds like two people, one of them male"  Shocked

I should think I'll buy it at some point.  I think Stemme's terrific - besides her Glyndebourne Isolde (twice) I've seen her in ENO's Manon Lescaut and the Royal Opera's Ballo in Maschera.  On the basis of the latter I'd disagree with George Hall's assessment that she can't really sing Verdi.
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