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« Reply #1 on: 15:21:27, 24-07-2007 » |
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I generally prefer comic opera I've cackled through AIDA several times But when it's done WELL (which is relatively rarely) it OUGHT to be a stunning drama that makes you pause to draw breath. The libretto is about the folly of faked-up patriotism in time of war - something that ought to ring a few bells in Britain currently. There is some magnificent music in the opera - I hope they're doing the ballet scenes too? - and it requires an outstanding cast of soloists. Not unusually for Verdi, the pivotal character is an interfering bigot of a father. The final scene - if it's achieved correctly - is one of the most magnificently morbid in the repertoire. My advice - sign up at once, and get a decent seat... tune-out to everything else, and absorb yourself entirely in it. Don't let the spectacle distract you - it's a love-triangle, that's sent flying sideways by external events, and shows how states and empires care little or nothing for those they claim to defend, or even those who have defended them. "It doesn't take much to see that the problems of three little people don't add up to a hill of beans", as someone else once said.
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« Reply #2 on: 15:30:38, 24-07-2007 » |
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Having seen it once, I will agree with Reiner. Ignore all the cliches and hype surrounding it - it's a gripping drama when done properly.
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« Reply #3 on: 15:41:49, 24-07-2007 » |
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ooooooooooooo depends on reviews then
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« Reply #4 on: 20:11:34, 24-07-2007 » |
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If you are very, very lucky indeed, then you might see something nearly as good as this is: http://youtube.com/watch?v=UE0qnSkNtLA&mode=related&search=(unfortunately the clip doesn't run through to the end of the scene with Amneris left alone - her "big moment")"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"
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« Reply #5 on: 22:14:03, 24-07-2007 » |
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If you are very, very lucky indeed, then you might see something nearly as good as this is: http://youtube.com/watch?v=UE0qnSkNtLA&mode=related&search=(unfortunately the clip doesn't run through to the end of the scene with Amneris left alone - her "big moment")"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" Wonderful stuff. Was listening to Vickers and Gorr in the same scene earlier this evening and that was pretty special too. Ever get the feeling that Verdi should really have called the opera Amneris?
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #6 on: 23:35:20, 24-07-2007 » |
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. Ever get the feeling that Verdi should really have called the opera Amneris?
I have some dim flicker of memory in which someone told me he thought of doing just that? But I have no idea what the source is for that!! Certainly it's Amneris's night. Jane Eaglen once said she'd counted that Aida is on stage for exactly 18 minutes... whereas Amneris is almost never offstage. I sometimes wonder what the Khedive made of the fact that it's the Ethiopian girl who's the heroine, whereas the Egyptian Princess is the hateful bitch (who is ultimately redeemed by an act of kindness)??
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« Reply #7 on: 07:54:45, 01-08-2007 » |
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tried to try the dvd but think I more a 'comic' opera fan
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« Reply #8 on: 08:55:09, 01-08-2007 » |
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the problem with most of the DVDs of AIDA is that they all stress the "grand" and "monumental" aspects of the piece. In fact AIDA is a love-triangle, about three people, and that's the centre of the opera... it's about the levels of desperation, and mania, to which people go in the futile hope of making someone love them... when it's clear that the person involved loves someone else. But Verdi - being Verdi - doesn't throw in all the monumental crowd scenes etc merely as padding (as they might be in the work of lesser composers)... the political scene changes violently, sending our hapless trio spinning as a result... so the "other" story of ADIA is about how little the lives of individuals matter to powerful states. Go to the live performance, a DVD can never get more than about 60% of the atmosphere of a real performance, and many don't even achieve that much
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« Reply #9 on: 09:19:06, 01-08-2007 » |
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Totally agree with what Reiner has posted. There is one particular production on DVD which I think stresses the intimate, personal aspects of the story over the monumental and it comes, surprisingly enough, from Zeffirelli. There's a cast of mostly very young singers, performing in the theatre in Busseto, near to Verdi’s birthplace, in a production mounted to mark his centenery in 2001: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Verdi-Aida-Zeffirelli-Paolo-Pecchioli/dp/B00005QJGB/ref=sr_1_2/203-4994897-1606365?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1185955939&sr=1-2although it now seems to have been reissued with a new cover: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Verdi-Aida-Stefanelli/dp/B000G6BKKM/ref=sr_1_10/203-4994897-1606365?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1185955885&sr=1-10The singers were coached, if I remember correctly, by the great Carlo Bergonzi, and it's a very special performance. Nothing will beat going to see a live production though, so, Lord B, do reconsider going!
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Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency
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« Reply #10 on: 14:10:25, 01-08-2007 » |
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Thank you for the DVD recommendation IGI - have put that on my Amazon rental list. Have seen it several times in places as varied as an open-air theatre in Sicily and the Met but never really "got" it, apart from the ending which is triffic. Don't know what to expect of the ENO one as they seem to be rather fixated on the Zandra Rhodes designs, but at least there are some good people singing.
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« Reply #12 on: 15:09:43, 01-08-2007 » |
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We're booked in for 8th November. Edited to add: at least they don't seem to have relocated Aida to Dublin, like La Traviata. That had a terrible translation as well, I thought, full of people feeling one another's pain and stuff IIRC
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« Reply #13 on: 16:15:10, 01-08-2007 » |
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I think the "kernel" of the AIDA story is so universal that it could credibly be played-out against the background of any civil war. In fact I would go as far as saying that the setting was almost incidental to Verdi... he's interested in the interaction between the doomed trio (and the two interfering fathers... what was that with interfering fathers in Verdi's output, anyhow?). But the key word here is "credibly" - simply relocating the action for the sake of a cheap trick isn't enough, it has to be made into searing drama no matter what the setting... or it fails.
Two years ago I saw an awful "updating" reset to the Bosnian Civil War, but so poorly directed that the cast were just standing with nothing to do for hours on end. (The opening scene had the chorus standing in stationary battlelines from the moment the curtain went up to "Ritorna vincitor!").
The Zeffirelli production came to Moscow last year, but I'm ashamed to say I grudged the $120 for back-balcony seats that were the cheapest (Stalls were "from $500", although apparently you got a glass of vino da tavolo and a pack of peanuts included for that).
Spookiest AIDA I've seen was Dmitry Bertmann's Helikon-Opera production... set in Egypt.... but Mubarak's Egypt.
Has anyone staged it "in Iraq" yet? It's got to be coming if it's not been done already...
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« Reply #14 on: 20:47:46, 01-08-2007 » |
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I agree, it could probably work well in other wars, and a modern setting might get rid of some of the distraction of the spectacle stuff that they always feel obliged to include when it's supposed to be ancient Egypt. (Mind you I'm not sure how they'd do the procession in Iraq - just tanks?) The main impression I took away from the performances I mentioned was that of struggle, but not the right kind. In the Met one several of the singers seemed to be having vocal problems, and in Sicily it was so windy that they had to nail the scenery down, and then had trouble taking it up again
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