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« Reply #31 on: 16:19:48, 19-10-2007 » |
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I'm pleased for him... he didn't deserve to be booed, no matter what his reaction to it was after was.
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« Reply #32 on: 19:06:29, 19-10-2007 » |
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Hoi! Like Reiner, I'm also pleased for him. There are not all that many good operatic tenors about these days that this gifted singer should not be used in roles that show his particular talents. Cheers S'wave
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« Reply #33 on: 23:23:51, 19-10-2007 » |
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True, though I am still convinced that his true Fach is French romantic opera - I don't think he's really cut out for the heavy Italian repertoire.
Having said that, I haven't heard him for years. I've got a ticket for his Barbican recital next May, though he still hasn't announced what he is actually going to be singing. I do hope it turns out to be marginally more satisfying than the overpriced recital last season by his other half, which was "Programme TBA" until the 11th hour, and eventually turned out to be a concert of dull repertoire standards with only 20 minutes in total of Gheorghiu, with the rest of the programme filled in by the orchestra.
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« Reply #34 on: 00:04:18, 20-10-2007 » |
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But would you really say Radames is a "heavy" role? I think a lot of people get bowled along with the "colossal" aspects of the show and the productions it inspires, and then demand "heavy" singing in it? Radames inhabits a different vocal world to the roles I would class as "heavy" like Calaf, Dick Johnson, Otello. The music of the role is written for a spinto, and is paired vocally against a similar soprano role. A spinto with the right technique will be heard perfectly at the back of the balcony - the "heaviest" the role ever gets is "Immense Phtah!", and even then look at the score... the orchestral ff is held off so that the singer is heard.
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« Reply #35 on: 02:19:17, 20-10-2007 » |
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Reiner, I agree. One of the best exponents of Radames, Jussi Bjorling, considered himself a spinto, and first sang the role in his mid 20s. There is a recording of him available in Act One of the opera in Stockholm in 1940, and it is wonderful singing from a man that clearly understood the role and his vocal capacities relative to it. He only sang Calaf and was preparing for Otello (plus Lohengrin and Stolzing) as he approached his 50s.
Aside from the nonsense that surrounds him, Alagna has a basic weight of voice that allows him to sing Radames and Manrico (another spinto role that if often associated with heavier voices), and that might gain the weight for Otello and other heavier roles as he moves into his 50s. Interesting that (as far as I know), he has never yet sung Les Troyens though...
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« Reply #36 on: 19:23:21, 07-11-2007 » |
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Are they just straightened-out ordinary trumpets, or is there some other difference, please? And are they harder than the ordinary kind to play? I know (or think I know) that they have valves.
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« Reply #37 on: 22:15:23, 07-11-2007 » |
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Are they just straightened-out ordinary trumpets That's exactly what they are And no harder to play, either.
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« Reply #38 on: 00:22:38, 08-11-2007 » |
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Ah, thank you Reiner. So is their primary advantage cosmetic, for when the trumpeters are on-stage, or do they actually sound different? I've noticed a bit of an odd timbre on recordings of "Aida" but it could be because they were trying to play them like Egyptians Can't remember how they sounded when I've heard it live.
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« Reply #39 on: 08:59:11, 08-11-2007 » |
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There are very few of those "straight" trumpets around these days, and I think they were mostly manufactured in the first half of the C20th, when the bore-diameter of all brass instruments was significantly smaller? I had one myself for a while, found very battered and bent in a junkshop, which I repaired and got back to playing condition - so I've played-around with them a bit. My one was narrow-bore, with very clunky simple-system* valves. As we're used to hearing the "fat" sound of post-WW2 trumpets these days (with bore-diameters around 40% larger) the old instruments do sound a bit "whiney" by comparison... maybe this is the difference you noticed? (Another nuance for nit-pickers is that most of these straight trumpets were made in the days of "Old Philharmonic" pitch, and consequently play around a quarter-tone sharp of today's A=440 - unless they've been adapted with some extra tubing. Their unique "straight" design didn't allow for the tuning-slide found on conventional instruments, so they're hard to bring down to modern pitch otherwise). I think they might still be in production for the military, for ceremonial events? I've seen American military bands using straight D-trumpets for public events.... the tubing is a bit shorter and you can just about play on the march with it, whereas the standard Bb straight trumpets are too unwieldy to do anything more than play "on the spot". I have no idea what kind of trumpets Verdi actually wanted at the premiere? I somehow suspect it was done with normal trumpets, but with actors on stage using some suitably outrageous-looking props Since brass-players on stage rarely make any attempt to act at all, this might actually be the optimum solution anyhow *ie one-piece valves with the spring just sitting underneath them in the chamber to return them to position.
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« Reply #40 on: 13:55:41, 08-11-2007 » |
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But would you really say Radames is a "heavy" role? I think a lot of people get bowled along with the "colossal" aspects of the show and the productions it inspires, and then demand "heavy" singing in it? I think you're right - though it's heavier than a lot of other Verdi tenor roles, and certainly no lighter than spinto. Tonight at ENO I'm going to hear John Hudson do it, and at the stage his voice is now at, I think he'll do it terrifically well (he's even capable of taking the last note of "Celeste Aida" at a diminuendo, and I hope he does!) but I wouldn't necessarily have wanted to hear him do it ten years ago. You've reminded me also of the theory I've always had about Aida. Verdi had had a long break from writing opera, and prior to that he'd been writing intimate family dramas for quite a few years - it had been a long time since the "galley years" of the "noisy male chorus and lots of royals" operas. So he got commissioned to write Aida and he thought: for the occasion, they're obviously expecting good old early Verdi. The resulting opera was an intimate family drama in the manner of his more recent work, disguised as a bombastic crowd piece The march in Act 1, in particular, is SO "early Verdi" in character that I just can't believe he approached it with total seriousness.
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« Reply #41 on: 14:20:26, 08-11-2007 » |
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The resulting opera was an intimate family drama in the manner of his more recent work
Entirely agreed I think I mentioned earlier (perhaps it was in this thread or somewhere like it) that I've staged a touring "workshop" production of the opera (which we rather provocatively called "Amneris") with just five performers. There is, however, a point to the crowd scenes (there's rarely anything "surplus" in Verdi's work), that war isn't a question of which "side" wins... you can end up even leading the "winning" side whilst still losing everything you have. One of the formative experiences in my life which helped when staging the piece happened at a party I'd gone to at someone's house somewhere in Muswell Hill. Among the guests were some friends of mine, a young Anglo-Serbian couple, with the girl being the Serbian one. For some reason during the evening, someone wanted to see the late news on BBC-2, so the tv was turned on... to show pictures of the RAF bombing Belgrade. Someone near the back of the room (who presumably didn't know the girl's nationality) cried out "Go on, lads, give the bastards hell!". My friends were shortly seen leaving in a taxi, in a state of extreme distress. "Ritorna vincitor" indeed It's the contemperaneous relevance of his work that keeps me coming back to Verdi.
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« Reply #42 on: 14:39:23, 08-11-2007 » |
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Ho! Reiner is right to infer that Radames is not a "heavy" role. The only part that can raise a little "pressure" (on occasions) is the duet with Aida - and it's usually a quirk of the production that is the cause. Celeste Aida is relatively easy after the way the recit lies so well and open on the voice. Cheers.
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« Reply #43 on: 15:52:33, 08-11-2007 » |
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Hurrah! I'm getting really excited now about seeing ENO's Aida this evening. I don't really know quite WHY I'm so excited, other than not having seen Aida for ages (and NEVER having seen a really good one), suspecting it'll be the first decent new ENO production this season, having friends in the cast I'm really looking forward to catching up with... oh yes, there are enough reasons there Hurrah, hurrah, hurrah. (Apologies for overuse of the word "hurrah". I've just realised how many of my opera posts begin with it ) (Edited to add: and reading back over this thread, I note that harpy's booked in for tonight as well... if you fancy saying hello, I would imagine that my friend and I will be heading for a pint in - appropriately - the Harp, after the show.)
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« Reply #44 on: 19:23:33, 08-11-2007 » |
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ENO have sent me a cut-out dress-up doll of Radames by email. If you follow the link you can dress him up and send him to your friends (apparently).
Does anyone remember where I suggested that ENO just maybe had succumbed to aimless gimmickry by offering a stream of Carmen but filmed from backstage? Hooooooo-hum...........
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