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Question: Oedipus Rex - do you like it?
Crowning Glory - 3 (21.4%)
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richard barrett
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« Reply #60 on: 23:17:27, 25-08-2007 »

there are also opportunities for innovation and flexibility in the theatre/opera house
Then I wonder why they're hardly ever taken... practically every recent opera I've seen or heard comes over to me as mired in the opera house rather than using it as a springboard for the imagination.
Unfortunately very few of the works you've listed have come my way, and as I rarely get to Germany I doubt there's much chance to see them "in performance".  Is there a particular reason you've preferred EINSTEIN to the rest of the Glass output?  I found it the most impenetrable of his pieces. I realise it was a list typed on-the-fly, so I am not picking holes...  but is the absence of PMD in the list intentional or accidental?  Or Sallinen? 
Einstein on the Beach is at least as much Robert Wilson's work as it is Glass's; for example it doesn't use an orchestra (which I don't think Glass has much idea what to do with - his original ensemble of amplified winds and keyboards is so much better-suited to the music, which orchestration causes to sound like a series of accompaniments without a foreground). I might if I'd thought a bit longer have included some Maxwell Davies - I found The Lighthouse extremely effective, though once again in a conventional sort of way. I would also have mentioned some of Robert Ashley's theatre pieces, particularly El Aficionado. I'm completely ignorant of Sallinen's work, I'm afraid.

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When you say the modern opera house can "stifle" innovation.. do you mean the technical set-up, or the institutionalised nature of the way such places are managed, or possibly that the public that patronises opera-theatres acts as a dead-weight in that respect?  Do you think it must always be so?
I think I mean all of the above, and probably more. Perhaps it doesn't always have to be so, and perhaps this comes down largely to money, but my ideal music-theatre would be something that can tour and be set up relatively easily in a wide variety of spaces, using more or less the kind of resources that a smallish theatre company would have. The space one performs in, and its associations, communicate strongly to the audience before they've even sat down. Personally I couldn't ever imagine working in either of the London houses and I don't like even having to enter them, and that goes for most of the (few) others I've been in. That's my problem, it might be said! but I'd be highly uncomfortable trying to say the kind of things I'd want music theatre to say in circumstances like that.

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Have you had a chance to see any of the work Graham Vick has done with Birmingham City Opera?  That probably represents "interactivity" at its most developed level.
No, so I'm still not really sure what you mean by interactivity in this context!
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« Reply #61 on: 06:28:19, 26-08-2007 »

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No, so I'm still not really sure what you mean by interactivity in this context!

Ah, you might find their work interesting, as they've worked very much in exactly the kinds of venues you've mentioned above.  I'm afraid their website doesn't really do them justice... for some reason they strip-out all pics and details of their productions once finished, leaving only details of what's upcoming.  There is though a brief listing of what they've previously done here:

http://www.birminghamopera.org.uk/productions_index.html

As you'll see, much of what they've done is "classical" repertoire, but it's been done in a very innovative way.  The chorus is always made-up of any members of the community who want to participate.  They've also taken some of the principal roles in the past too, alongside young professionals who are sympathetic to what GV is trying to achieve in all of this.  I can imagine there will be a lot of the R3 Monday Club who will tut dismissively about "amateurs!" and move on - there's a substantial number who oppose popularisation and want to keep classical music just for themselves.  Others who can see the point of a community-rooted opera company that isn't living in the shadow of whatever Deutsche Gramofon have released recently might want to try Birmingham Opera's TRAVIATA this October?   It's Graham Vick's "Arena Di Verona" production, which he has managed to "borrow" and bring to Birmingham... to be done in Birmingham Opera's "house style", with a non-professional chorus and younger soloists.  Details on their website (from the link mentioned above).  Please don't ask which "stars" are in the cast...  "stars" are not the point of this project.
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« Reply #62 on: 08:54:08, 26-08-2007 »

I have (I realise with a shock) four recordings: Davis, Ancerl, Solti, Bernstein. I'd like to recommend the last of these, which appeared on CD last year after a long absence from the catalogue. Soloists include Rene Kollo, Tatiana Troyanos, Tom Krause. The excellent  chorus is the Harvard Glee Club. Some of the Latin pronunciation is a bit bizarre, though, and the narration sounds more like a fireside chat than a declamation.

Pears was too old when he did it with Solti - I'd love to hear his 1951 effort. I find the recording of the Davis rather unsatisfactory, though there is no quibbling with Davis's grip on the piece.
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« Reply #63 on: 09:14:51, 26-08-2007 »

Try here.
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« Reply #64 on: 09:54:02, 26-08-2007 »

much of what they've done is "classical" repertoire, but it's been done in a very innovative way. 
That indeed sounds like a very interesting way of doing things, certainly as concerns the classical repertoire.
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« Reply #65 on: 10:34:11, 26-08-2007 »

By the way, John, if you're reading: looking for this thread just now I found it in what seems to be a rather unlikely place... do you think maybe it would be a good idea to move it to "20th Century"?
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« Reply #66 on: 13:31:03, 26-08-2007 »

Hm... sorry for putting it in the Coffe Bar, I should have foreseen that it would take a more serious direction!
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« Reply #67 on: 13:54:13, 26-08-2007 »

In retaliation, Stuart, should it ever happen that I should have a chance to stage one of your works, I'll find a coffee bar for it, too. I'm sure presenting The Assassin Tree in the Dundee Bus Station Canteen might learn ye a thing or twa.... Grin
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« Reply #68 on: 14:42:50, 26-08-2007 »

much of what they've done is "classical" repertoire, but it's been done in a very innovative way. 
That indeed sounds like a very interesting way of doing things, certainly as concerns the classical repertoire.

Do you think it might be worth developing new work along the same lines?  Wink  PMD has done a few pieces especially for the Orkney community to perform, for example.
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« Reply #69 on: 14:54:30, 26-08-2007 »

There's much more to Music Theatre than just opera and musicals; but sadly all the good work done between the 60s and 80s to open up the field seems to have been to no avail.
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