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Question: Oedipus Rex - do you like it?
Crowning Glory - 3 (21.4%)
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Not tonight, Mum - 2 (14.3%)
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Author Topic: Stravinsky's Oedipus Rex  (Read 1440 times)
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« on: 15:05:18, 24-08-2007 »

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« Reply #1 on: 15:19:57, 24-08-2007 »

OEDIPUS REX is one of my favourite Stravinsky works.  Despite the stated intention (in the spoken Prologue) to deal with the the emotions on the scale of the massive, as something "turned to stone", the lyrical setting of the text for Oedipus, Creon and Jocasta is appealing and intimate in nature. I think every tenor dreams of singing "oportebat!" Smiley  And I love the added 9th (with a trumpet) in the closing chord of the first half Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: 15:43:24, 24-08-2007 »

It's a Ron favourite, too: I love the way he rides roughshod over the Latin scansion and the whole ethos of deconstruction on as many levels as you care to think: alienation through translation, narration and stylisation for starters. Interesting too that the first tenor Stravinsky should chose to record the work with was Pears (another sign of the borrowings from Britten?) And how about the male-only chorus? The orchestration always fools me into believing that there are female voices there as well.

Favourite recording (still) the Sadlers Wells/Colin Davis with Dowd, Herincx, (Patricia) Johnson and a young Alberto Remedios, not to mention Sir Ralph Richardson's narration; cheap as dolmades on CfP.
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« Reply #3 on: 16:45:11, 24-08-2007 »

It's a Ron favourite, too: I love the way he rides roughshod over the Latin scansion and the whole ethos of deconstruction on as many levels as you care to think: alienation through translation, narration and stylisation for starters. Interesting too that the first tenor Stravinsky should chose to record the work with was Pears (another sign of the borrowings from Britten?) And how about the male-only chorus? The orchestration always fools me into believing that there are female voices there as well.

Favourite recording (still) the Sadlers Wells/Colin Davis with Dowd, Herincx, (Patricia) Johnson and a young Alberto Remedios, not to mention Sir Ralph Richardson's narration; cheap as dolmades on CfP.

What are dolmades?

This is one Stravinsky piece that I've never really warmed to, although not for lack of trying.  Maybe I should get a score.  Now that I think of it, it's the same with Rake's Progress; some combination of the "neoclassicism" and the dramatic form doesn't work for me, though I can certainly support both ingredients on their own.

My working through the recent Sony 22-CD box has been interrupted by travels but the real discovery for me has been Persephone--a stunning piece, one which I had never heard and about which I knew (and still know) virtually nothing.  But Oedipus Rex?  Meh.
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« Reply #4 on: 16:55:12, 24-08-2007 »

Ivo Zidek singing 'Lux facta est' in the Ancerl recording - I defy anyone to hear this and not be deeply moved.
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« Reply #5 on: 17:05:08, 24-08-2007 »

Dolmades are a Greek side serving, Evan. I was trying to be inventive with the British colloquialism "cheap as chips" (or, to you, as inexpensive as french-fries). Basically a parcel of rice and meat or veggies and fruit in vine leaves, as here.

Yep, the Ancerl is a greater reading too, but there's something about the CBS/Sony which emphasises the corny rather than the elemental. Persephone? Well, now that's a different kettle of fish entirely: but as I've mentioned before, Stravinsky's one of those composers where my favourite work is likely to be the one I've most recently heard....
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« Reply #6 on: 17:13:21, 24-08-2007 »

Ivo Zidek singing 'Lux facta est' in the Ancerl recording - I defy anyone to hear this and not be deeply moved.

Yeah, fair enough.  "Lux facta est" is a great, great, great piece of text setting.
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« Reply #7 on: 17:27:30, 24-08-2007 »

This is one Stravinsky piece that I've never really warmed to, although not for lack of trying.  Maybe I should get a score.  Now that I think of it, it's the same with Rake's Progress; some combination of the "neoclassicism" and the dramatic form doesn't work for me, though I can certainly support both ingredients on their own.

...But Oedipus Rex?  Meh.

Pretty much in agreement with that, Evan. I've always suspected that I didn't like it (again despite several abortive attempts) and had that suspicion confirmed last night when I attended a concert performance of it at the Edinburgh Festival. Most of the audience in the packed Usher Hall seemed to like it, though. (My girlfriend and I vastly preferred the first half, which was an old favourite of mine, Orpheus. Strangely enough that seemed to be the one the audience didn't 'get'.)

However I'm glad I went, as I've never been able to listen to a recording long enough to catch the final chorus, which really was pretty magnificent. And I agree about the orchestration, Ron - I don't know how he does it, but it really sounded like there was a full chorus there!
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« Reply #8 on: 17:44:12, 24-08-2007 »

I've always assumed it was the overtones from the high winds and brass creating interferences tone with those from the male voices below them, and thus filling the gaps with the auditory illusion of an extra octave in between, Stuart.

A concert performance? Come on, that's pushing the alienation just one stage too far (or, this case, one stage not far enough). It gains immensely by being mounted properly.
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« Reply #9 on: 17:49:57, 24-08-2007 »

I've only ever seen - or rather not seen - it in concert too, Ron: a CBSO performance a year or two ago, with some occasionally very odd tempi from Sakari Oramo (he of the often eccentric tempi). I was told at the time by a friend that there's an excellent DVD, and when I saw Stuart's thread earlier today I suddenly realised I'd never got round to buying it and now can't remember the performers.
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« Reply #10 on: 17:52:47, 24-08-2007 »

It gains immensely by being mounted properly.

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On a more serious note, yes, it was a pretty alienating experience, particularly the narration telling us what was about to happen in each scene. Is that part of the score?
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« Reply #11 on: 17:59:16, 24-08-2007 »

Yes, that's kind of the point of the piece! Wink
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« Reply #12 on: 18:00:30, 24-08-2007 »

Well I guess that's what puts me off it then  Sad
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« Reply #13 on: 18:12:40, 24-08-2007 »

For those sceptical about the piece, try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1EqMcu3k3A
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« Reply #14 on: 18:31:25, 24-08-2007 »

the real discovery for me has been Persephone--a stunning piece, one which I had never heard and about which I knew (and still know) virtually nothing. 
Perséphone has some of the most interesting orchestral use of the piano in the repertoire, I think, and some of Stravinsky's most affecting music. I was just about to order the 22-CD set myself a couple of weeks ago when by chance I was given a copy of the previous release of the same discs. Oedipus fascinates and annoys me in equal measure though. I think I would like it to have been at least twice as long.
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