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Author Topic: Siegfried on BBC2 tomorrow (10.3)  (Read 587 times)
ulrica
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« on: 11:57:54, 09-03-2007 »

Nice to see that the BBC are at last getting round to showing Siegfried, and on BBC2 as well. Pity they can't see fit to clear the schedules (a blinking dog show and an old Have I Got News for You repeat, for heaven's sake) and start (and finish) the thing at a sensible time. I'm glad of my recently acquired DVD/HDD player, but I can imagine that there are a lot of older Wagner fans who might not have either the facility to record or the staying power to last through until 2 am. Poor show.
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #1 on: 12:16:39, 09-03-2007 »

Why do you think it's the older ones who may not have the facility to record? I do wonder how many will watch the whole thing "live", though. I've got a concert that evening which means I have to go to the pub afterwards, so I might miss the opening, which is one of my favourite bits. I haven't seen any of this production before so it's always interesting to see what they do for the dragon.
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ulrica
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« Reply #2 on: 13:05:25, 09-03-2007 »

Sorry, Tony, I didn't mean to generalise. I was thinking of my mum and friends of hers: 80ish, would love to see Siegfried on TV, no recording facilities, wouldn't normally stay up beyond 11 pm. I just think that the BBC is doing people like them a great disservice.
I quite liked the dragon when I saw this Siegfried. In fact it's all good IMO, except for the end which is badly muffed as I recall. And Treleaven is, ahem, an acquired taste.
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« Reply #3 on: 13:34:54, 10-03-2007 »

No need to apologize, ulrica! You're probably right in general and I'm still on the younger side of 50.

I shall watch as much of it as I can although I shall probably fall asleep before the end after unwinding after that concert in the pub.

The programme on the radio about the original Mastersingers is fascinating. It's the sort of thing that Radio 3 does so well, unlike their message boards. But I've got to go for a rehearsal in ten minutes.
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« Reply #4 on: 14:27:22, 10-03-2007 »

Just to add to the botheration, there's a Prom on Four running simultaneously with Act Three (Henze/Shostakovich7). The need to make a choice alleviated by the fact that the iMac is set up for satellite, too, so providing I can clear 10Gb from the hard drive I might just manage both....
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« Reply #5 on: 14:50:54, 10-03-2007 »

A tricky problem, Ron. I remember the Masur/ Shostakovich 7 getting a lot of criticism for a pretty lacklustre performance, but the Henze was interesting. I think I shall record the Wagner!
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« Reply #6 on: 17:44:52, 10-03-2007 »

Nice to see that the BBC are at last getting round to showing Siegfried, and on BBC2 as well. Pity they can't see fit to clear the schedules (a blinking dog show and an old Have I Got News for You repeat, for heaven's sake) and start (and finish) the thing at a sensible time. I'm glad of my recently acquired DVD/HDD player, but I can imagine that there are a lot of older Wagner fans who might not have either the facility to record or the staying power to last through until 2 am. Poor show.

Well, I suppose...I am old, and I don't have the facilities to record this.....
more to the point, though, Mr. Operacat has expressed a very decided opinion about staying up till 2 in the morning to watch this....
So I've asked a friend to make a copy for me!
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« Reply #7 on: 19:05:40, 10-03-2007 »

Just to add to the botheration, there's a Prom on Four running simultaneously with Act Three (Henze/Shostakovich7).

Not to mention 'Meistersinger'* on Radio 3 clashing with Acts 1 & 2.  Lucky for me I've got recording facilities but I agree with what seems to be the consensus: there's little enough music on the BBC without having to overcome conflicts like these.  Joined-up scheduling anyone?

* extremely premature applause at the end of Act 1 at the Met. They must have started 10 seconds before the music finished.
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« Reply #8 on: 23:44:09, 10-03-2007 »

Premature applause in Act 3 too...

I've just posted my annoyance on this Wagner clash elsewhere...
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« Reply #9 on: 16:31:39, 11-03-2007 »

Probably a case of very slow tabs at the bottom of the two acts in question, rm: it's an age old problem.

Sometimes the action demands a quickly dropped curtain, but often such an instant guillotine cut-off will be totally inappropriate. Things are therefore arranged so that there'll be a long slow drop to the deck, timed so that cloth meets floor on the final beat of the act/scene. Unfortunately this means that the start of the descent will have to be some several seconds before, and for a reason I've never understood (perhaps even sheer relief on the part of some of the audience) it's the start of the drop which occasions applause, rather than the actual point at which the stage finally disappears from view...

GI/Mark,
I managed to record everything last night, though the whole of the day has been spent editing: the Henze is striking, but the big surprise for me (apart from the shock at Masur's frailty) was how different the Shostakovich sounded from the live radio feed we all found so disagreeable at the time, and how much more involving the performance, judging from the first movement at least.
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« Reply #10 on: 17:02:13, 11-03-2007 »

I had no time to listen to the whole opera, but I listened for a while. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icTfxN8cF64
Also saw a little of Singfried on television. It was too late for me.
these are a little comfort for me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6egZr8-8k2k&mode=related&search=[/img]
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« Reply #11 on: 17:38:32, 11-03-2007 »

just to rub things in, Götterdämmerung is on at the same time (21:30-02:30) next saturday.  Sad why they've switched it to the late night slot is a total mystery - they broadcast Rheingold and Walküre in the afternoon. Of course they then had to stuff in a war film after Walküre act 1, but still it was in a much more humane timeslot.
 
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #12 on: 19:27:14, 11-03-2007 »

Does anyone have any thoughts on the quality of the performance or production? I only managed to see part of act one, the end of act two and the beginning of act three before falling asleep. In act one, Siegfried and Mime seemed to spend two much time following each other around the stage, for no particular reason. Or perhaps I didn't see enough of it. It also reminded me of Steptoe and Son. Mime, a grotesque figure, is like a father to Siegfried but Siegfried resents him and wants to break free. A good recipe for a sitcom.
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« Reply #13 on: 19:50:49, 11-03-2007 »

Very taken with it, Tony, which slightly surprised me; but even more surprising is that I've found a second Ring opera on TV now: Rheingold's on the Performance Channel as we speak - looks as if it might be the start of another cycle - German by the looks of it; very different in interpretation - look out for more to come, catch it now if you can...
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« Reply #14 on: 23:20:41, 11-03-2007 »

Premature applause in Act 3 too...


And Act 2.  Most annoying. 

and for a reason I've never understood (perhaps even sheer relief on the part of some of the audience) it's the start of the drop which occasions applause, rather than the actual point at which the stage finally disappears from view...


Is this just at the Met?  My experience in most houses (for Wagner anyway) is that applause doesn't begin until the music is finished.  I've never really connected it to the fall of the curtain.  This kind of thing would stop me going to the Met - especially at the ticket prices I've heard about from my friends who've been there.

I only saw bits of 'Siegfried' while supervising the recording of it for later enjoyment.  Fafner looked quite impressive and that trick with his head - I won't go into detail in case I spoil it for anyone - looked very spooky.  I'm looking forward to watching it  when I get time.   I don't mind the late start next Saturday: I'm in Germany on Thursday/Friday and have a good chance of taking in a live 'Walküre' and 'Siegfried' on consecutive evenings.  Even with a serious delay to my flight I should still be back in time for the broadcast of 'Götterdämmerung' 

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