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Author Topic: Prom 27: BBC National Orchestra of Wales - Jac van Steen  (Read 1142 times)
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« on: 10:33:20, 02-08-2007 »





there may be some music tonight, also...
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« Reply #1 on: 10:40:52, 02-08-2007 »





there may be some music tonight, also...
Yes, indeed - and, just for the record, none of the above photographs is of David Matthews...

Best,

Alistair
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« Reply #2 on: 10:53:15, 02-08-2007 »

Indeed! I have to confess, although I couldn't help noticing Lord B's continual mentions of 'the Janine Jansen Prom' it somehow hadn't clicked that this was the same one I was planning to attend.

Will you be there, Alistair? I'm looking forward to David Matthews' new symphony, although I don't think I'll make it in time for the 5.00 composer portrait.
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« Reply #3 on: 11:02:41, 02-08-2007 »

Indeed! I have to confess, although I couldn't help noticing Lord B's continual mentions of 'the Janine Jansen Prom' it somehow hadn't clicked that this was the same one I was planning to attend.


Might that be because your reason for going to the the Prom is the music?
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« Reply #4 on: 11:17:51, 02-08-2007 »

Indeed! I have to confess, although I couldn't help noticing Lord B's continual mentions of 'the Janine Jansen Prom' it somehow hadn't clicked that this was the same one I was planning to attend.

Might that be because your reason for going to the the Prom is the music?
I'm so shallow, aren't I! Wink
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« Reply #5 on: 23:52:24, 02-08-2007 »

Any thoughts on David Matthews' symphony no 6?
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« Reply #6 on: 01:05:29, 03-08-2007 »

I didn't catch it at the time, Tony, but I'm listening now to my off-air FM recording. No frightened horses, and although it's going to take longer to get to grips with it, there's a beguiling nature to the surface; despite the Rob G's typically waspish predictions about it probably sounding like Tippett put though a blender, it seems to have an individuality to its sound world, and if there are other British composers occasionally recalled, they're an of earlier generation: Bax and Walton: structurally it seems to be leaning more to the rhapsodical nature of the former than the tight symphonic architecture of the latter. I very intentionally didn't listen to the introduction, but we've just reached the unmistakeable quotation of the hymn 'Come down, Oh Love divine' for no apparent reason yet, followed by a strange little coda...

Hmmmm: well, I'll be returning soon.
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« Reply #7 on: 01:34:37, 03-08-2007 »

the hymn 'Come down, Oh Love divine' for no apparent reason

How I wish the second quotation mark could have been four words later...
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« Reply #8 on: 01:37:29, 03-08-2007 »

But then the words wouldn't fit the music.....(Ok they would sort of, but the scansion of the second syllable of 'reason' would be awry.....)
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« Reply #9 on: 01:45:45, 03-08-2007 »

(dives for cover behind Janine Jansen  Shocked)

If she's wearing that diaphanous number from the 'I've tripped on my blue ribbon' photo I don't think there'll be much cover to be had...

Ron, I'm sure you can supply a tune to fit. Cool
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« Reply #10 on: 11:06:52, 03-08-2007 »

Indeed! I have to confess, although I couldn't help noticing Lord B's continual mentions of 'the Janine Jansen Prom' it somehow hadn't clicked that this was the same one I was planning to attend.

Will you be there, Alistair? I'm looking forward to David Matthews' new symphony, although I don't think I'll make it in time for the 5.00 composer portrait.
Yes, I was there and almost didn't make it to the talk, although a small aside about my efforts to attend that might amuse. I went by train from Bath and, typically, the wretched thing was at least 45 minutes late in arriving, so I had just seven minutes to get to the hall, buy my ticket and rush in. Unbelievably, I made it - but that was not the only thing about the journey from Paddington to Kensigton that strained credibility.
AH: "Albert Hall, please - fast as you can".
Taxi driver: "Right. Going to the Prom, yeah?"
AH: "Yes"
TD: (looks at watch) "Bit early, aren't you? You going to the talk, then?"
AH: "Er - well, yes, actually - or at least that was the intention until First Great Western tried to decide otherwise"
TD: "I reckon you'll just make it. New symphony by one of the Matthewses, innit?"
I could have fallen off the seat. I mean, surely he should have known which Matthews... I mentioned this to both of them after the concert, anyway...

A tightly organised three movement structure occupying a little over half an hour is this new symphony. David Matthews clearly "breathes symphonies" (to borrow the phrase that Schönberg used in respect both of Sibelius and Shostakovich - I wonder what the latter thought about that endorsement) and this is perhaps his most ambitious to date, as well as the best of those that I have heard so far. "Frightening horses" is indeed not at all Matthews's way; he still seems to speak with an identifiable English accent, although the composers that this might suggest in his case - Vaughan Williams, Holst, Bax, Tippett, Britten, Rubbra - are no more than pawns in the game, which is hardly surprising, given that Matthews's work catalogue passed the Op. 100 mark some while ago. The piece also evidences a Sibelian way of deriving a great deal out of not so very much material (not that the music itself sounds like Sibelius, of course) and the various cross-referential incidents strewn throughout the work add to its already considerable cogency and logic. His sense of orchestral colour continues to develop, for all that it is very different to the coruscating vibrancy for which his brother is perhaps well known. All in all, a very rewarding experience made all the more so by a fine performance that has, I think, finally convinced the composer that further symphonies from him are not, after all, off limits.

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Alistair
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« Reply #11 on: 13:10:11, 03-08-2007 »

That's a good story, Alistair. I have one too. In 1992 I was taking a taxi in Melbourne, in the company of Daryl Buckley from Elision and the composer Riccardo Formosa, to a recording venue some way out of town. The exchange between Daryl, who was sitting in the front, and the taxi driver, went something like this:
TD: So what are you guys doing out in Robert Blackwood Hall this morning?
DB: We're recording some music.
TD: What kind of music would that be?
DB: Well I suppose you'd call it "contemporary classical" music.
TD: Not like Schoenberg and those c**ts from Darmstadt? I f**kin' hate that stuff...
(and so on in similar vein)
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« Reply #12 on: 13:15:40, 03-08-2007 »

I was waiting for an actual eyewitness to tell that one but if you hadn't I would have... Wink
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« Reply #13 on: 14:04:32, 03-08-2007 »

Well I suppose the odd taxi driver has the nouse to listen to Radio 3 in order to know when the concert is finishing so they can be outside the hall as it empties, but even so.  Good story.
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« Reply #14 on: 19:28:29, 03-08-2007 »

Yes, I was there and almost didn't make it to the talk, although a small aside about my efforts to attend that might amuse. I went by train from Bath and, typically, the wretched thing was at least 45 minutes late in arriving, so I had just seven minutes to get to the hall, buy my ticket and rush in. Unbelievably, I made it - but that was not the only thing about the journey from Paddington to Kensigton that strained credibility.
AH: "Albert Hall, please - fast as you can".
Taxi driver: "Right. Going to the Prom, yeah?"
AH: "Yes"
TD: (looks at watch) "Bit early, aren't you? You going to the talk, then?"
AH: "Er - well, yes, actually - or at least that was the intention until First Great Western tried to decide otherwise"
TD: "I reckon you'll just make it. New symphony by one of the Matthewses, innit?"
I could have fallen off the seat. I mean, surely he should have known which Matthews... I mentioned this to both of them after the concert, anyway...

Wonderful story, Alistair. Many thanks for sharing it with us. Smiley

Why is it that we fall from our seats when we encounter something like this? Roll Eyes

I knew a man who worked as a cleaner of oil tankers at the Port of Rotterdam. He liked to read literature. Reading is very suitable hobby for people who work in shifts. His favourite writer was... Samuel Beckett. I will never forget how this huge man entered one of my favourite bookshops (selling mostly literary and philosophical books), baffled all the other costumers and left with his monthly ration of literature. Cheesy
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