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Author Topic: Prom 48: Simon Bolivar National Youth Orchestra of Venezuela/ Dudamel  (Read 1731 times)
George Garnett
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« on: 21:58:29, 19-08-2007 »

I don't care about admitting it. I've been crying with sheer joy at odd moments during this evening's concert. I'd almost forgotten what that was like. Fantastic! Thank you!

I hate to pick out anyone in particular because it was communal music making of the highest order but am I right in thinking that the first clarinet and first horn really were very good?
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« Reply #1 on: 22:25:49, 19-08-2007 »

I'd been a bit cynical about possible hype with both the band and Dudamel but am delighted to have been proved completely wrong. They were tremendous and the ability to move from deep seriousness to wild fun in the same concert without it seeming incongruous was fantastic.
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« Reply #2 on: 22:34:47, 19-08-2007 »

What energy! I missed most of the Shostakovich, but then went to BBC4 in time for the end of it and the rest of the concert, not music I really care for, but I was bewitched by this orchestra and conductor. If only something similar was done in more countries.
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Stanley Stewart
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« Reply #3 on: 22:38:38, 19-08-2007 »

  George, you've almost managed to say it all.     Downright explosively and energetically rejuvenating.      And, although I've only seen your photograph in a R3 OK get-together, I could have sworn that you were in the Arena tonight.  Did you watch the Prom on BBC 4?   A panning shot just before the encore.

Anyhow, I shall re-record on the BBC 4 repeat, tonight, as I'd hate to lose my original recording.       Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: 22:39:04, 19-08-2007 »

Notwithstanding Rattle's endorsement of Dudamel, I might well have been equally suspicious of the hype had it not been for the fact that I happened already to have heard their new Mahler 5 recording before reading any of that; OK, that performance is not going to knock absolutely everyone else off their pedestals but it is an astonishing achievement for a bunch of youngsters who are simply not at all by nature or historical experience culturally attuned to Mahler.

I found the central part of the opening movment of the Shostakovich Tenth Symphony rather ponderous and lacking in momentum, as though some kind of lead weight was hanging upon it, yet even in this the rather unusual interpretation was far from lacking in conviction. I don;t know how large the string section was but suspect that it was pretty enormous - the general standard of string playing was pretty high, with moments of scrappiness almost entirely absent throughout. The remainder of the work showed this orchestra to be a serious contender in this oft-played and splendid work - generally fine precision of attack, an excellent horn solo in the third movement, fine but only just controlled energy in the second movement and coming into its own perhaps best of all in the finale. A most remarkable achievement for an ensemble from an area which, again, simply has no historical precedent in the performance of such music.

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George Garnett
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« Reply #5 on: 22:49:41, 19-08-2007 »

And, although I've only seen your photograph in a R3 OK get-together, I could have sworn that you were in the Arena tonight.

Sadly not, Stanley. I wish I had been. Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Heard the Shostakovich on R3 and then (most of it) again on BBC4 and on until the end.
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« Reply #6 on: 22:53:16, 19-08-2007 »

May I recommend a little look here?

http://www.deutschegrammophon.com/artistmicrosite/DUDGU/en/sistema_story.htms

250,000 musicians. About 1% of the country's population.

'Lennar Acosta, now a clarinettist in the Caracas Youth Orchestra and a tutor at the Simón Bolívar Conservatory, had been arrested nine times for armed robbery and drug offences before the sistema offered him a clarinet.

"At first, I thought they were joking," he recalls. "I thought nobody would trust a kid like me not to steal an instrument like that. But then I realized that they were not lending it to me. They were giving it to me. And it felt much better in my hands than a gun."'
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« Reply #7 on: 23:11:41, 19-08-2007 »

The Bernstein was highly successful too - such a large orchestra but so together. This is not easy music to play but the combination of enthusiasm and accuracy was very compelling.
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« Reply #8 on: 23:18:17, 19-08-2007 »

I don't care about admitting it. I've been crying with sheer joy at odd moments during this evening's concert. I'd almost forgotten what that was like. Fantastic! Thank you!

I hate to pick out anyone in particular because it was communal music making of the highest order but am I right in thinking that the first clarinet and first horn really were very good?

The whole programme was FANTASTIC!  I loved it all.  Oh that Latin rhythm - can't tell you what it does to me.  Wink  The drummers, bongos - well all the percussion were fantastic.
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« Reply #9 on: 23:23:14, 19-08-2007 »

  Ollie's posting adds credence to the choice of the Symphonic Dances for the Prom.      "Hey, I gotta social disease."

Disappointed at my wrong-spy, George, and yes, it would have been sheer joy to be at the RAH tonight.

Incidentally, if anyone else is setting a recording in the early hours; 0055 to 03.10, don't forget to add 15 -30 mins to the timing for the encore and the late start, due to the original over-run.
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« Reply #10 on: 23:40:43, 19-08-2007 »

Ho! This was so popular that when I arrived at more or less my usual time, I was number 64 and ended up in the middle of the fifth row Shocked However, this was not really surprising, given th'aforementioned publicity they've been getting.

I agree that the first movement of the Shostakovich was a little elephant-like, but the speed alone of the second movement more than made up for that! The second must have been just as quick as Gatti's with the RPO last year. This time, however, and RPO TAKE NOTE, the string off-beats remained as off-beats.

The Latin stuff took a little longer than it should have to get used to after the Shossy. But the arena was coming close to a last-night-style sea of movement at points.

Adrenalin was in such profusion following the exit that not even the bus driver's cursing could dampen it.
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« Reply #11 on: 01:50:02, 20-08-2007 »

Got it on BBC 4 at the moment - and what a fantastic performance of Shosta 10 it is! This orchestra plays with such abandon, and the 2nd movement was sensational - agreed, eruanto, about those off-beats. Very impressed. Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: 08:57:10, 20-08-2007 »

I've been intersted to see so,many posts here and on the BBC board expressing praise for this concert.

Although I felt the perfomance of the Shostakovitch 10th symphony was very clear and precise, I felt it was quote lacking in vitality and expression. I couldn't really  call it an 'interpretation' at all.

This impressions was reinforced when I compared it with the composer's own interpretations of his piano concertos and other works, very wild and intense, with at times scant regard for accuracy.

It was at the Proms,in 1972 I think,that I first heard the 10th sym. played bythe LPO conducted by Bernard Haitink, a performance,as I recall much more inthe spirit of Shostakovitch' own playeng.

 
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« Reply #13 on: 10:56:32, 20-08-2007 »

Possibly the players came slightly more alive during the (Latin) American works, but they certainly didn't seems lacking in vitality at any point, to me.

eruanto, did you manage to get a jacket? I bet the beeb weren't too happy about the one that ended up hanging fromt eh microphones (particularly once people started poking it with umbrellas to try and get it down...)
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« Reply #14 on: 15:40:52, 20-08-2007 »

Regrettably not, David, just a bit too far back. Actually, had the one stuck on the microphones continued on its way I might, with a bit of luck, have got it. Would have missed the microphone sight though.  Grin
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