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« Reply #15 on: 15:56:39, 23-07-2008 » |
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Who is the faded person on the right, George?
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« Reply #16 on: 17:02:14, 23-07-2008 » |
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Who is the faded person on the right, George?
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #17 on: 17:05:50, 23-07-2008 » |
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It is The Lord Reith of Stonehaven. Here he is looking less faded but unfortunately facing the wrong direction for Statler purposes.  |
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« Reply #18 on: 17:10:03, 23-07-2008 » |
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Thank you. I should really have known that of course.  |
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« Reply #19 on: 17:31:08, 23-07-2008 » |
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Let's remind ourselves how far the face of R3 has come.  |
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Green. Always green.
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« Reply #20 on: 19:02:34, 23-07-2008 » |
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If RN is really encouraging applause between movements then I'll consider myself forewarned and just not go to any of his concerts. Are you sure he was doing this, Ruth? A reply from me, not Ruth, but yes, he was definitely encouraging between-movement applause. During the Haydn, RN applauded, and gave the audience a look which seemed to say, "Aren't you going to applaud too?". Now, now, Lady DHS, you know perfectly well that Roger Norrington joined in the applause a few seconds after it had got going with some gusto in the audience. He didn't look so happy with it in the Elgar though. Perhaps he felt that it was just becoming too automatic? How sad it is that some of those music haters over at TOP get upset when someone shows they are enjoying themselves and want to share that joy, (I'm thinking of what they call Norrington's "knowing" glances to the audience at salient points). As Martin Handley pointed out in the Pre-Prom Talk, the two of them go back a long way, and both met as thespians, and still like to tread the boards on occasion. |
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« Reply #21 on: 19:08:37, 23-07-2008 » |
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Captain roger was doing his meet the people thing last night, wandering along the day ticket queue and accosting the intending audience members. |
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« Reply #22 on: 19:12:17, 23-07-2008 » |
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Captain roger was doing his meet the people thing last night, wandering along the day ticket queue and accosting the intending audience members. With an armed bodyguard of course...? |
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« Reply #23 on: 19:18:35, 23-07-2008 » |
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Captain roger was doing his meet the people thing last night, wandering along the day ticket queue and accosting the intending audience members. With an armed bodyguard of course...? No , no, Richard, all on his tod. Most had no idea who he was, and seemed entirely underwhelmed when advised, (I felt it my public duty). Oh, and I did not see him look over his shoulder even once. No cameras to be seen, either. Who knows, perhaps he was just doing what he felt he wanted to. |
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Bryn
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« Reply #24 on: 19:36:26, 23-07-2008 » |
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Poor Bryn has slipped into the role of Fozzy Bear, and is taking a large amount of the flack  Don't worry about me, R_T. One of the benefits of having no musical reputation to defend is that I can, and will, take on anybody. Ask autoharp, who I think remembers a certain encounter at the RFH, back in year dot. |
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« Reply #25 on: 06:42:15, 24-07-2008 » |
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Any thoughts on Norrington's Elgar 1, which seems to be causing much spluttering into cocoa and rumbling of bath chairs over at TOP? Poor old Roger committed all the sins: encouraging applause between movements; Elgar without vibrato; doing it live at a Prom with a bunch of Krauts (Good God!). The naughty old Communist. Personally I'm fed up with the UKIP brigade sucking at Elgar's tit. This was a good TOP post, which I'm hoping will cause a few coronaries today. Serenus Zeitblom
Someone, earlier on, said that Norrington was on a mission. Reading this thread, it seems that this mission might be to rescue Elgar from the English (I have been reminded time and again here of Beecham's crack about how the English may not like music, but they absolutely love the sound it makes).
Consider the facts.
Elgar was an outsider. Doubly so, as a Roman Catholic and as a piano-tuner's son in a country where music was a polite pastime of the rich. He was a whole-hearted European, teaching himself with reference to the music of Beethoven and Schumann, and recognised as a modern on the European mainland. His closest musical associates were German - Richter, who declared the First the greatest symphony of modern times, and Jaeger. And he wrote music of direct emotional power, which was a deeply un-English thing to do (compare it with the oh-so-nice post WW1 pastoral meanderings that people seem to want at the Proms instead of, well, Beethoven and Schumann)
So ...
Norrington and his German players played the symphony that Elgar wrote - the work that Strauss celebrated as modern, that Richter celebrated as the greatest symphony of modern times. It was a performance that stripped away all the accretions of sentimental, parochial Englishness. No warm beer and spinsters cycling to mass here. No imperial echoes. Just music. And what music ... music that, had the tragedy of a war that Elgar detested not intervened, would rightly have taken its place in the European mainstream. Music of raw emotion, cleansed of knightly orotundities. Music with uncomfortable edge and power and presence.
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« Reply #26 on: 07:39:14, 24-07-2008 » |
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Good for you, Philidor! I haven't heard Tuesday's prom yet, but am recording today's repeat Ao3. I find Norrington's explorations into the post-classical repertoire fascinating, whether it be his Brahms, Bruckner, Wagner with the LCP or his aborted RVW cycle with the LPO, so shall listen with interest to Elgar 1.
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Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency
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« Reply #27 on: 08:15:50, 24-07-2008 » |
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I heard bits of it but was rushing about. It sounded great. There are technical problems on the 'play again' feature which can be raised here. I've just complained but my post's in moderation as I've not contributed to the nerd boards before so they must check I'm not OBL. Seriously, these blazer types who think Elgar's in their gang can go boil their heads. It's like the National Front hijacking the Union Jack. |
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« Reply #28 on: 08:21:30, 24-07-2008 » |
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Seriously, these blazer types who think Elgar's in their gang can go boil their heads. It's like the National Front hijacking the Union Jack.
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