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« Reply #15 on: 21:51:38, 16-08-2008 » |
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Not so quiet, Milly. I've been enjoying it too. For the first time in ages, I can hear EVERY word. Fresh, upbeat performances all round. A real tonic, and lovely sound! Congrats, strina et al.
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« Reply #16 on: 01:01:26, 17-08-2008 » |
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Phew, that was a lot of notes.
Lovely to meet Don B, Eru, Ruth, David and his wife, Lady-and-Lord-D-H-S...
Too tired to say much about my feelings about the performance. I get the general impression that most people enjoyed it. I suppose I did too, although it would have been nice to have had a proper run-through before the show (!). And I've got some reservations, which the assembled company above have already heard. But on the whole I think it went pretty well - and what an amazing piece!
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« Reply #17 on: 01:09:58, 17-08-2008 » |
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Sorry to have missed you, Strina (reasons mentioned above - in fact I even missed the 7pm curtain for FIVE:FIFTEEN too, and had to sneak in at the back later).
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« Reply #18 on: 07:34:28, 17-08-2008 » |
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It sounded pretty wonderful here too. Rhythmically alive and full of energy and, as Martle says, an absolute object lesson in clear, natural diction from all concerned (including, presumably, canny old Handel who made it possible). A rare treat.
Are there other performances, Strina (either in or out of a recording studio) or was it a one-off?
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« Reply #19 on: 10:47:16, 17-08-2008 » |
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Hi George - unless there are plans afoot of which I know nothing, it was a one-off.
I'll throw one of my niggles among the pigeons - I didn't get a real sense of abandoned hedonism in the feasting and drunken moments. It was louder, and obviously Handel's writing is quite different in those sections than in the more pious ones, but I didn't feel the characterisation was very strong. How we played/sang them they may as well have been battle moments (except they were mostly in triplets, weren't in D major and had no timps/drums).
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« Reply #20 on: 11:45:43, 17-08-2008 » |
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Someone at TOP seems to be under the impression that the cuts we made in last night's performance were "taken on the hoof." He saw the stage manager making some hand signals to our leader and has interpreted that as a frantic indication to take some cuts.
This is completely erroneous. The hand signals were about tuning and the length of the pause between parts. Radio 3 wanted us to keep going with enough background tuning noise to cover their link. All the cuts we did were planned well ahead of time and done in rehearsal. Indeed I saw nothing in my part to indicate that Sir Charles has ever not done those cuts.
I don't have an account over there or I'd correct this misapprehension. If anyone here wishes to do so please feel free.
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« Reply #21 on: 15:15:34, 17-08-2008 » |
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The only cut I noticed (and George if he was following my online version) was Daniel's Act 3 number, sensitive souls probably judging the words tactless now, viz, from memory:
Can the black Aethiop change his skin His spots the lepard lose?
Or something like that. A brief and perky little number, and it deprived us of another chance of hearing the lovely tones of that fine example of young Welsh manhood, Iestyn Davies.
I gather a number of females afterwards would have liked to take him home in a doggy bag.
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« Reply #22 on: 16:02:36, 17-08-2008 » |
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A few of the longer secco recits were cut down (causing much hilarity in rehearsals as us hard-working fiddles would settle back for a supposedly 68-bar break only to hear our cue for the next aria pass us by), and there were a couple of "A-section only" arias. Not very many. But perhaps just enough to prevent RSI.
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« Reply #23 on: 16:20:53, 17-08-2008 » |
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And there were some accompanied recits with the words printed out in the proggie, but cut, notably Cyrus' liberal sentiments before the closing ensemble (a very muted piece - the chorus only sang "Amen" and there were no trumpets or drums.)
And very nice to meet strina and David U at last, as well as others, and they know who they are.
I got the impression from cognoscenti that Paul Groves wasn't quite right for Belshazzar - he has never done anything earlier than Idomeneo according to his biog and he overacted his arias. (He wisely did not attempt to act the wonderful stage direction "he.. turns pale with fear, drops the bowl of wine, falls back in his seat, trembling from head to foot, and his knees knocking against each other." You may think Charles Jennens wrote dreadful verse, but he sure could write wonderful stage directions.)
By comparison Bejun Mehta as Cyrus and Robert Gleadow as Gobrias entered into the spirit of things without appearing to camp it up. Despite having a seat at the edge, I stood up to watch them. Gleadow's facial expressions as he sang "Behold the monstrous human beast Wallowing in excessive feast" were a delight. Handel emphasized the word wallowing with lots of runs, and Gleadow clearly enjoyed them.
In fact I may be a highly superficial person, but my chief feeling was it was all tremendous fun.
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« Reply #24 on: 17:50:23, 17-08-2008 » |
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I am glad I listened to a big portion of the oratoria. I was impressed and thrilled that I actually know one performer.
I agree with what people write here about good qualities of performance.
Congratulation to strinasachi. I was thinking about you while I was listening. How many violins were there I don't know.
I love Baroque operas and oratorias very much. It was special to hear it on period instruments.
Congratulations for successful performance.
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« Reply #25 on: 20:41:23, 17-08-2008 » |
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How many violins were there I don't know. If the programme is correct, there were 10 Firsts and 8 Seconds.
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« Reply #26 on: 00:13:33, 18-08-2008 » |
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How many violins were there I don't know. If the programme is correct, there were 10 Firsts and 8 Seconds. Yes that's right. For some of the quieter arias we were cut back to 6 firsts and 4 seconds. (I know our rehearsal time was limited, but it did bother me that Mackerras's immediate reaction was to cut the number of players rather than get us to play more quietly. It's not the first time this has been his method for creating dynamics either.)I see George has gallantly posted in TOP about the cuts - many thanks for that. I should have mentioned the thread title (something about "boring proms this weekend"). Sorry if it took ages to locate - but your comment about it was very apt.
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« Reply #27 on: 01:37:57, 18-08-2008 » |
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For some of the quieter arias we were cut back to 6 firsts and 4 seconds. (I know our rehearsal time was limited, but it did bother me that Mackerras's immediate reaction was to cut the number of players rather than get us to play more quietly. It's not the first time this has been his method for creating dynamics either.)
Confirmed. This was done in his late 1970s ENO J ulius Caesar with Dame Janet Baker: I've mentioned before how he handed over the batten for part of the orchestral rehearsal in the theatre to his assistant and then went the rear of the auditorium to check the balance. Even with no possible view of the pit he was immediately aware that there were more desks playing for one number than had been agreed.
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« Reply #28 on: 08:20:21, 18-08-2008 » |
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I see George has gallantly posted in TOP about the cuts - many thanks for that. My pleasure. It made me feel very important and in the know. I see that someone else over there (but not on that thread) is complaining about the soloists' enunciation. I must say I thought it was a model of how to do it but I was listening at home rather than in hall which may possibly explain the difference.
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« Reply #29 on: 08:39:58, 18-08-2008 » |
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(I know our rehearsal time was limited, but it did bother me that Mackerras's immediate reaction was to cut the number of players rather than get us to play more quietly. It's not the first time this has been his method for creating dynamics either.) That's not necessarily merely about dynamics, though, is it. Cutting the number of players to a part also affects the texture and timbre of the sound, and perhaps Sir Charles was concerned with that too? Composers play with that kind of idea all the time (I know I do). Six violins playing PP sounds very different from 10 violins playing PP, but they don't necessarily sound quieter.
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