George Garnett
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« on: 08:03:15, 28-07-2008 » |
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Since no one has started a thread on this yet I thought I'd jump in. It was the first time I had heard La Transfiguration (perhaps this should be on the embarrassing confessions thread) so the whole thing was new territory. Very, very taken with it. Glorious stuff: Messiaen humble in the face of what he was attempting to express but wonderfully confident in the technical use of the language he had developed to do so. I've no idea how the performance compared with others but it sounded pretty fine to me. What did others think?
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Ruth Elleson
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« Reply #1 on: 08:51:32, 28-07-2008 » |
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Absolutely terrific, George, from the front row of the Arena. Don Basilio and Tinners may be able to give their views - they were further back in the Arena.
(I can't hang about and be more constructive, I'm afraid. Today I am trying to meet a work deadline which MUST be achieved before I leave the office, despite the fact that I will be disappearing for an extended lunch break to go and hear I Fagiolini at Cadogan Hall, and as I would rather like to be at this evening's Prom too, I have been in the office since an hour at which I'm rarely awake during Proms season. May pop back later!)
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #2 on: 09:43:11, 28-07-2008 » |
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Absolutely glorious. I don't think I would have appreciated it on the radio or as a recording, but actually being there...
I could have been at the front, but I thought that that this wide screen stuff, so it was better at mid point in the hall. I wouldn't have seen how many percussionists there were.
I was worried my persistent cough would be a menace, but I remained silent and presumably wrapt thoughout Part 1. I was struggling with a cough through section 9 (Perfectae conscius illius perfectae generationis) and missed that. Nearby friends kindly told me that it did not disturb them.
Tinners has been having major internet connection problems of almost Mort-like proportions, so we must wait on his access to an internet cafe for his opinion.
I gathered he was fairly enthusiastic.
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HtoHe
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« Reply #3 on: 11:16:19, 28-07-2008 » |
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Absolutely glorious. I don't think I would have appreciated it on the radio or as a recording, but actually being there...
Well some of the splendour certainly came across on the radio Don B, though the extended pauses presented a bit of a problem. I suppose they had to fill them with commentary, really, because silence on the radio is a big no-no. I've recorded the TV broadcast (which I'll probably watch soon anyway so I can follow the words) so it'll be interesting to see if they felt obliged to talk through the pauses. Unfortunately, I think I can guess the answer. The radio did broadcast that lovely respectful silence between the end of the piece and the applause, though. Well done that audience.
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« Reply #4 on: 11:19:33, 28-07-2008 » |
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Watched the whole thing on BBC4. Particularly impressed by the pianist (Gerard Bouwhuis) and the conductor (Thierry Fischer). As with other later Messiaen works, I do tire of the birdsong pretty quickly as well as the particular sort of close-position scrunchy dissonant chords which are an irritating resonance on piano though more welcome on sustained wind. Final chorale was impressive.
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #5 on: 11:58:44, 28-07-2008 » |
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The radio did broadcast that lovely respectful silence between the end of the piece and the applause, though. Well done that audience.
Glad to oblige, HtoHe. But you should have seen Thierry Fischer. His clothes did not actually become white as light, and I was only seeing his back, but he must have been pretty well transfigured. At the end his arms were high up in the air, and he brought them down so incredibly slowly that once they were by his side, we were so used to wrapt attention that we remained silent. I wasn't expecting to find parts so jolly exciting. All those gongs and marimbas going hell for leather. The penultimate movement had an ending that just seemed to keep on coming, as it were.
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Ruth Elleson
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« Reply #6 on: 12:05:11, 28-07-2008 » |
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My suspicion was that the pauses (the second one, at any rate, which didn't seem to be in a logical place musically) were BECAUSE of the commentary, rather than the other way around. It was really quite annoying because everybody in the hall - performers and audience alike - was keeping as quiet as between the other movements, and (certainly from where I was standing) the chattering from the BBC booth was very audible and a bit of a mood-breaker
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David_Underdown
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« Reply #7 on: 12:14:17, 28-07-2008 » |
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My suspicion was that the pauses (the second one, at any rate, which didn't seem to be in a logical place musically) were BECAUSE of the commentary, rather than the other way around. It was really quite annoying because everybody in the hall - performers and audience alike - was keeping as quiet as between the other movements, and (certainly from where I was standing) the chattering from the BBC booth was very audible and a bit of a mood-breaker Quite, grrr. What was the point?? Don B was probably righ tto go further back - I was over-whelmed with piano sound (completely drowned ou the female chorus sometimes) from my position on the rail. I don't think I'd describe Fischer as transfigured - drenched in sweat maybe. His red shirt was about 5 shades darker at the end (mind you, a unlike when Dame Felicity Lott performed La Voix Humaine a few years ago, there was no-one around in a white dj to get covered in red dye - I doubt the best dry-cleaner in the world would have been able to get Sir Andrew Davis's DJ clean again after that).
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #8 on: 12:18:12, 28-07-2008 » |
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Thanks to the Orthodox Church of America: David - I'm sorry to have missed you - I hope to meet you some time over the summer. Interested to hear anyone still wears DJs at concerts nowadays.
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« Reply #9 on: 12:18:32, 28-07-2008 » |
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But you should have seen Thierry Fischer. His clothes did not actually become white as light, and I was only seeing his back, but he must have been pretty well transfigured. Oh he was. A red silk shirt didn't seem the best televisual solution on such a hot night, but the process of discolouration only attained completion in the final moments of the performance.
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George Garnett
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« Reply #10 on: 13:01:46, 28-07-2008 » |
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My suspicion was that the pauses (the second one, at any rate, which didn't seem to be in a logical place musically) were BECAUSE of the commentary, rather than the other way around. What Tom Service said was that the pauses were to give the chorus time to take a breather and recover on such a hot night in South Ken. As it was said on the BBC it must have been true. The bit of commentary between the two 'septenaries' was just about OK I suppose but I really could have done without the second bit mid-transfiguration. Silence would have been fine, thanks. I was in no danger of switching channels if that was what they were worried about. But yes, hear hear. Brilliant audience. Thank you! I was beginning to wonder if there was anyone there.
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« Reply #11 on: 15:24:11, 28-07-2008 » |
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Absolutely terrific, George, from the front row of the Arena. Don Basilio and Tinners may be able to give their views - they were further back in the Arena.
(I can't hang about and be more constructive, I'm afraid. Today I am trying to meet a work deadline which MUST be achieved before I leave the office, despite the fact that I will be disappearing for an extended lunch break to go and hear I Fagiolini at Cadogan Hall, and as I would rather like to be at this evening's Prom too, I have been in the office since an hour at which I'm rarely awake during Proms season. May pop back later!)
I have recorded this so as I hav'nt watched it yet. If you guys can tell me where you are, I may be able to spot you!
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« Reply #12 on: 15:26:28, 28-07-2008 » |
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David - I'm sorry to have missed you - I hope to meet you some time over the summer. Interested to hear anyone still wears DJs at concerts nowadays.
Well I was in the group on the steps with Ruth, in fact when you first walked past and tried to attract her attention, I was thinking, "now why does that chpa look familiar?" If you happen along to the Glyndebourne prom on Thursday, you will see a number of prommers indulging in the harmless tradition of dressing a la Glyndebourne.
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Ruth Elleson
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« Reply #13 on: 15:31:29, 28-07-2008 » |
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I have recorded this so as I hav'nt watched it yet. If you guys can tell me where you are, I may be able to spot you! David and I were front row centre, bbm, and almost next to each other (with David's other half in between).
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« Last Edit: 15:33:14, 28-07-2008 by Ruth Elleson »
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brassbandmaestro
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« Reply #14 on: 20:13:32, 28-07-2008 » |
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Thanks Ruth, I will look out for you people!!
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