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I thought that this orchestra was on a higher plain with the Shostakovich. I dont know wether it was because, maybe, they were more at home with this composer than with Mahler. Totally different orchestral sound, totally different sound orchestra.
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #1 on: 19:52:22, 10-09-2008 » |
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It was the slowest performance I've ever heard, bbm (eleven minutes longer than Kondrashin's live Concertgebouw, which is still my benchmark) so they had plenty of time to think about every note.
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« Reply #2 on: 20:06:05, 10-09-2008 » |
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I suppose it was Ron Dough, looking back. Maybe this is music for a younger conductor to get into rather an older one. No offence caused here.
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #3 on: 20:11:37, 10-09-2008 » |
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He wasn't much faster when he recorded it for Decca, nearly thirty years ago:
Kondrashin, 1962:............. i: 25'34 ii: 08'30 iii: 25'26
Kondrashin (Live), 1963:.... i: 2557 ii: 0802 iii: 2520
Kegel (Live), 1969:............ i: 26'29 ii: 07'59 iii: 26'37
Kondrashin (Live), 1971:......i: 24'44 ii: 08'18 iii: 24'48
Previn, 1976:.....................i: 26'06 ii: 08'30 iii: 25'53
Haitink 1979:..................i: 28'51 ii: 09'06 iii: 29'36
Rozhdestvensky, 1984:........i: 27'35 ii: 09'25 iii: 28'44
Ashkenazy, 1989:...............i: 25'16 ii: 08'50 iii: 24'09
Rostropovich, 1992:............i: 2835 ii: 0833 iii: 2709
Chung, 1994:....................i: 2704 ii: 0808 iii: 2521
Rattle, 1995:.....................i:2744 ii: 0847 iii: 2547
Barshai, 1996:...................i: 27'15 ii: 08'45 iii: 26'04
Rostropovich (Live), 1998:...i: 27'58 ii: 08'35 iii: 27'30
Shostakovich (Live), 1998:...i: 27'31 ii: 08'34 iii: 28'51
Sinaisky (Live), 2000:.........i: 27'01 ii: 08'53 iii: 27'56
Jansons, 2004:...................i: 28'03 ii: 08'43 iii: 27'23
Haitink (Live), 2008..........i: 30'08 ii: 09'31 iii: 29'51
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« Reply #4 on: 20:26:33, 10-09-2008 » |
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Totally different orchestral sound, totally different sound orchestra.
My head is spinning ...  Would you care to elaborate, bbm? |
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stuart macrae
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« Reply #5 on: 20:29:23, 10-09-2008 » |
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Is that Kondrashin live recording currently available Ron?
I've only got the Slatkin/Saint Louis 1992 recording (i: 27'55 ii: 7'58 iii: 27'40 for your info) which I've always found satisfactory (but I've never heard any other interpretation in full!)
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #6 on: 20:36:39, 10-09-2008 » |
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Only as part of the 14-disc Concertgebouw Live Anthology Vol. 4, Stuart....
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« Reply #7 on: 20:39:42, 10-09-2008 » |
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Ah, I wondered. Is it worth it for the rest of the set too?
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #8 on: 20:59:21, 10-09-2008 » |
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At the lowest price here, yes. Amongst other goodies: the Maderna Violin Concerto, Berio's Calmo and Chemins IV (Holliger), KK conducting En Saga, the Rococo Variations the Divine Poem with Rostropovich and the Italian Symphony: a van Otterloo Beethoven 4, a Giulini Bruckner 9, a(n) Harnoncourt Haffner, and 'cummins ist der dichter...' by Boulez.... |
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« Reply #9 on: 21:04:22, 10-09-2008 » |
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I've got that box, Ron! I just noticed it on the shelf the other day: I'd completely forgotten buying it, it must have been back when I had money to spare on things like that ... Did I know that was your benchmark Shostakovich 4? I must spin it forthwith! You do know the story about how that Boulez piece got its title, do you? |
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« Reply #10 on: 21:11:51, 10-09-2008 » |
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Yes, I do: but I think you should tell it anyway.  There's a very decent Les Noces, too, not to mention Ančerl conducting Haydn, Rachmaninov and Cιsar Franck (albeit the Symphony which seems to upset several of our members). |
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« Reply #11 on: 21:23:37, 10-09-2008 » |
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He wasn't much faster when he recorded it for Decca, nearly thirty years ago:
... nor did he manage to get the percussion playing together at the end of the second movement, something which has caused me to distrust his entire Decca cycle, well, that and the decision do do the texts of 14 in their original languages. Is his more recent recording of 4 an improvement in this regard? |
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« Reply #12 on: 21:34:46, 10-09-2008 » |
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You do know the story about how that Boulez piece got its title, do you?
Yes, I do: but I think you should tell it anyway. I believe it involved a phone conversation (in German) with the commissioners along the lines of: --What shall we call the piece in our concert programme, Mr Boulez? --I don't know the title yet. ... The poet is Cummings. |
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« Reply #13 on: 21:52:59, 10-09-2008 » |
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Berio's Calmo Ooh, ooh! I'd no idea that was still available (being a piece Berio deleted from his catalogue, although I wore the record thin at college). Yay.  |
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« Reply #14 on: 22:57:40, 10-09-2008 » |
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Re the DSCH 4, no redeeming features for you at all, Ron ?
Quite enjoyed it myself, I have to say.
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