fishophile
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« Reply #30 on: 21:35:50, 15-02-2007 » |
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I don't mind gritty  Symphony in Three Movements I found interesting, but somehow not fulfilling; I should revisit it - perhaps the problem was that the version I have is conducted by Esa Pekka Salonen where it is included after the Rite - and *anything* after that rollercoaster ride is a comedown. The other two I've not yet heard. The violin is by some way not my favourite instrument, but a little Googling suggests that the Concerto "goes against the grain" of what's expected out of it, so I'll add it to the list along with the Psalms. You'd think I'd be a perfect audience for the Experience. Unfortunately, I have to take these things slowly, not all at once, otherwise I get indigestion. But I'll have a look on Listen Again... |
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trained-pianist
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« Reply #31 on: 22:14:50, 15-02-2007 » |
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Tommo, I am the same. I thought I would enjoy Tchaikovsky and I actually loved to listen to them both. And indeed Stravinsky did write less dross. Still there are Tchaikovsky's music that get my blood going and uplifts me a lot. Stravinsky appeals to intellectual part of my personality. I find his music interesting and stimulating etc. Tchaikovsky at his best is very expressive. He expresses regret really well. I missed Rakes progress  It is possible like Bryn pointed out to buy DVD. |
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #32 on: 22:33:07, 15-02-2007 » |
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I don't think anyone's a perfect audience for the experience, fp. Who on earth do they think is going to listen 24/7? I'm afraid that in itself is beyond my comprehension.
But yes, if you've only had EPS's performance to go by, then perhaps you're not getting the full story, and if you're playing it after the Rite then perhaps it will always be an anti-climax - but there again, what wouldn't?
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trained-pianist
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« Reply #33 on: 14:34:11, 16-02-2007 » |
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fishophile, I love the pieces too: Firebird and Rites of Spring are among my favourite pieces.
They just compared Stravinsky to Picasso. To be exact they compared his neo-classical period with Picasso's paintings.
I never thought about connecting this two arts.
And they said that Stravinsky contracted TB and was in a sanatorium.
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #34 on: 22:31:30, 16-02-2007 » |
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At least he survived, t-p, but he lost his wife and daughter to the illness. Soon after he was working on the Symphony in C, yet there's no sign at all in that piece of what he must have been going through.
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roslynmuse
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« Reply #36 on: 23:23:12, 16-02-2007 » |
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That's one of my favourite Stravinsky pieces! Sorry I missed it. I've got a good recording with Kent Nagano conducting. Who was doing it this morning?
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thompson1780
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« Reply #37 on: 23:31:23, 16-02-2007 » |
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Which Picasso period did they compare Strav's neo-classicism to? Blue, African Cubist?
Oddly, I've always naturally associated Picasso with Stravinsky, just as I have Monet with Debussy. Is that thanks to some social indoctrination or is there something more deep?
Tommo
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Made by Thompson & son, at the Violin & c. the West end of St. Paul's Churchyard, LONDON
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trained-pianist
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« Reply #38 on: 08:56:19, 17-02-2007 » |
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Missed PERSEPHONE.  May be I can find it on listen again. Tommo, it is a good comparison between Stravinsky and Picasso. Picasso also had many periods. They were talking about Stravinsky neo-classical period. I like your comparison of Debussy and Monet. I don't think Stravinsky cared much about his first wife and this is why no deep emotions are registered in symphony in C. On a whole Stravinsky as a man is a little better for me than Janacek. (but just a little). Sorry, I am too judgemental. |
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #39 on: 09:03:44, 17-02-2007 » |
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t-p, it's true that Stravinsky's first wife didn't mean as much to him as his second: but the loss of his daughter, not to mention the near loss of his son Soulima, do seem to have hit him very hard. It's almost as if the Symphony in C is like a bridge over the chasm of what was going on in his emotional life at the time, ignoring any feelings rather than wallowing in them.
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« Reply #40 on: 09:09:14, 17-02-2007 » |
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May be it is a good strategy for life, ie not to dwell on emotions.
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« Reply #41 on: 23:05:22, 17-02-2007 » |
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roslynmuse
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« Reply #42 on: 23:13:53, 17-02-2007 » |
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Yes, Les Noces is great - what a combination of sounds!!! (FOUR pianos!  ) Many (well, 10 plus) years ago I was involved in a performance of Les Noces with Nagano (also Oedipus Rex, now I come to think of it, although I'm not such a fan of that piece) and I think Stravinsky suited his conducting style well. |
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #43 on: 23:20:28, 17-02-2007 » |
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I find Les Noces seems to be the work I come back to most of all: if you can ever find the recording made by the Pokrovsky ensemble (Elektra Nonesuch Explorer 7559-79335-2), which moves the piece back towards its folk roots, grab it! There are straighter recordings by Bernstein (at present out of the catalogue) and James Wood on Hyperion which are well worth hearing.
BTW I understand the the Prokovskys will be performing Les Noces in London this May in a Thomas Ades event; I'd certainly make the trip down from Tayside for that, except that it seems likely I'll be involved in something rather further afield at exactly the same time...
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George Garnett
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« Reply #44 on: 23:33:17, 17-02-2007 » |
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BTW I understand the the Prokovskys will be performing Les Noces in London this May in a Thomas Ades event; I'd certainly make the trip down from Tayside for that, except that it seems likely I'll be involved in something rather further afield at exactly the same time...
Small world, Ron! No reason why you should recall this but, by odd coincidence, I did offer a spare ticket I couldn't use for this (sold out) performance at LSO St Lukes a while back on the BBC MB. The reason I couldn't use it was that I was also doing something else that day, but not very further afield: Frank Peter Zimmermann doing the Berg Violin Concerto down the road at the Barbican. A very tough one to call that and, from what you say, I'm now even less convinced I made the right decision Will definitely get the recording you mention as a consolation prize though so thanks for that  |
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