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« on: 17:35:59, 29-09-2008 »

I need to deepen my acquaintance with Hamlet pretty rapidly. Rather than just reading the play, I'd prefer to do this through looking at a range of interesting creative appropriations/critical interpretations etc., and I thought people might have some recommendations ...

Film versions? I know of Olivier, Kozintsev and Kenneth Branagh (though I haven't seen the latter). Any thoughts on these?

Other works inspired by it to a greater or lesser extent: Ulysses, The Lion King, Die Hamletmaschine ... There's also Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead, but those characters aren't very relevant to my investigations, which will need to focus on the location of Elsinore, the atmosphere and suspicions at court, the players, and on the title character, his monologues, and his addresses to Ophelia and to Horatio/Yorick.

Also, anyone able to think of any interesting takes on it by other writers/thinkers/philosophers? The more oblique and indirect the better - I find I'm more stimulated to make my own connections with the original that way ... For instance, there are extensive references to it in Derrida's Spectres of Marx. Anything else, in the same or a different vein?
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« Reply #1 on: 18:19:28, 29-09-2008 »

Films - Nicol Williamson and Mel Gibson, too, chap. There's the Humphrey Searle opera, too, but the Charles Marowitz cut-and-paste collage might prove especially fruitful for you.

More here

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http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&keywords=Charles+Marowitz+Marowitz+Hamlet%20&tag=doollee0e-20&index=books&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325
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« Reply #2 on: 18:22:16, 29-09-2008 »

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I went to Elsinore (otherwise known as Kronborg Slot in what the Danes call Helsingĝr) a few years back. I did of course make a point of using the conveniences just so that I could say 'for this relief much thanks'.

http://www.kronborgcastle.com/

I suppose Agatha Christie's The Mousetrap would count as extremely indirect...
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« Reply #3 on: 20:00:33, 29-09-2008 »

Somewhere very near to the beginning of THE BROTHERS KARAMAZOV there is the story of a girl who committed suicide by throwing herself off a sharp riverbank into the water below, in imitation of Ophelia.  Dostoevsky makes the withering comment that the whole thing might have been avoided "if the location hadn't been so picturesque".

There's a famous painting of Ophelia's death by John Everett Millais, now in Tate Britain.

Purcell's solo song with basso continuo "Mad Bess of Bedlam" seems strongly influenced by Ophelia's "mad scene"...

Although it wasn't filmed and hasn't survived, one of the most controversial Hamlets was said to have been the actor/singer/songwriter Vladimir Vysotsky (1970s)...  by inventive inflection of the lines,  he managed to portray - in a "neutral" production - the idea that he (Hamlet) was the only sane one in the "mad" country of the USSR.  It was a performance which led him into some big political difficulties, but his reply was that he'd "only read the play by Shakespeare". 
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« Reply #4 on: 20:02:47, 29-09-2008 »

Oh yes! Anyone else here ever see the Australian comedy detective series The Fast Lane? Damn fine it was. They had a Hamlet episode. Some girl went a bit loopy and threw herself into the Maribyrnong out the back of Safeway.

That won't mean anything to the vast majority here, alas.
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« Reply #5 on: 20:09:34, 29-09-2008 »

Somewhere very near to the beginning of THE BROTHERS KARAMAZOV there is the story of a girl who committed suicide by throwing herself off a sharp riverbank into the water below, in imitation of Ophelia.  Dostoevsky makes the withering comment that the whole thing might have been avoided "if the location hadn't been so picturesque".

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« Reply #6 on: 20:22:39, 29-09-2008 »

In addition to ROSENCRANTZ & GUILDENSTERN, Tom Stoppard revisited Hamlet a second time to produce DOGG'S HAMLET in which the characters speak a language called "Dogg" - which used English words to which utterly different meanings have been attached, and whose meanings are differently understood by different characters...  based on a theory of Wittgenstein's.  During the play schoolchildren are rehearsing a 15-minute version of "Hamlet".   (This one-act play is usually performed alongside "Cahoot's Macbeth", another experimental Stoppard/Shakespeare piece).

"Hamlet" is also the porky resting-actor anti-hero of the long-running cartoon strip of the same name in "The Stage".

Happiness is a cigar called Hamlet (allegedly).
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« Reply #7 on: 21:51:25, 29-09-2008 »

There's a vaguely sentimental but endearing film directed by Branagh around the time he was doing his Hamlet, about a group of unemployed actors putting on a Hamlet in a village church at Christmas.  They're all going through various personal crises and finding the emotions in the play overwhelming.  I actually liked it better than his Hamlet (which I thought was really pompous).  It was released in the States as A Midwinter's Tale but I think it was originally called In the Bleak Midwinter.
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« Reply #8 on: 08:45:19, 30-09-2008 »

If you are interested in the Player King, then do give a look again at Stoppard's Rosencrantz, where the P King is a major character.

I did Hamlet for A level, but never felt I got it.  Stuffed full of quotes, but what on earth to make of Hamlet himself?  The romantic view that he was too sensitive to do the job won't wash - he is talking of revenge the whole time, and he is foul to his mother and girlfriend.  I read Thomas Kyd's The Spanish Tragedy at school  to get to know the Elizabethan revenge tragedy, and the whole genre leaves me cold.  The Revenger's Tragedy was done stylishly at the NT last year, but again I didn't see the point.

You probably don't need to know the following, but in line with the do-you-know aspect of this thread:

Noel Coward said specifically that the big scene in his first non-comedy success, The Vortex, was based on the Hamlet/Gertrude confrontation.  (Son takes drugs, mother sleeps around, both use cigarette holders. I've never seen it, mind you, but it was in London recently.)

Michael Innes' Hamlet Revenge is a whodunnit set during rehearsals for the play, which is meant to be a modern production looking at the play as a study of politics, rather than a moony youth who can't bring himself to act.  As I say I find neither view convincing.  Innes was the non de plume of an Oxford English don, J I M Stewart.
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« Reply #9 on: 09:33:09, 30-09-2008 »

If it's any help, Tinners, it just so happens that Shakespeare and I are the only two people who really fully understand Hamlet from the inside. If you run into any problems, just ask  Wink.
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« Reply #10 on: 11:30:07, 30-09-2008 »

I would heartily recommend a recent book by Margreta de Grazia called Hamlet without Hamlet published by CUP - one of the best accounts of the play to have emerged in many a year.
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« Reply #11 on: 11:53:10, 30-09-2008 »

Don Basilio's comment about Hamlet himself being horrid to everyone reminded me of John Updike's book Gertrude and Claudius.  It focuses on the older generation in the story and looks back at the sources for the story.  I found it engrossing when I read it, although it didn't stick in the mind (although that may be my fault - I've been going through a long patch of reader's block lately).
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« Reply #12 on: 13:42:47, 30-09-2008 »

an Oxford English don, JIM Stewart
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« Reply #13 on: 21:22:02, 30-09-2008 »

I've managed to unearth an off-air video on Hamlet, recorded March 2002, BBC 4, which may meet your requirements, tinners.

Spent the afternoon enthralled as I transferred it to DVD and have also given it the advantage of 3 separate titles for instant access:

           Title   1      Peter Brook's Hamlet.      A specially adapted screen version of his acclaimed
                           stage production.  Shot at the Theatre de Bouffes du Nord in Paris with Adrian
                           Lester reprising the title role.   Time: 2 hours & 13 mins.

           Title    2     Peter Brook on Hamlet, interviewed by Richard Eyre.    Time:  28 mins

           Title    3     Hamlet: Playing the Dane:          Time:   15 mins
                            Leading actors of theatre, TV and film describe the challenge of playing the Prince.
                            Christopher Plummer, Stacy Keach, Kevin Kline, Steven Berkoff, and Richard Briers.

The production mounted on three sides is surrounded by red walls, stressing the claustrophobic atmosphere of Elsinore, extending to a blood red carpet, but cushions are the only means of seating as the cast are primarily Indian.   Brook explains to Eyre that although his most successful production of the play was more than 50 years ago, with Paul Scofield, he wanted to move away from the notion that the play was "decidedly British, about Danes"; the central theme 'what does it mean to be human?' is for every culture across the spectrum of races.   It's only days since I was reading a Gielgud memoir and he mentions that, although forewarned, he was adamant about wanting to stage his production for troops during the war, few of whom had ever visited a theatre, but they quickly identified with the drama and listened in total silence.  On active service, they could sense the ridiculousness of life; the absurdity of life; the tragedy of life.        Pleasing, too, to identify with two key moments for Hamlet.   First, the Ghost's terrifying imposition on the Prince, 'But howsoever thou pursu'st this act, Taint not thy mind...' (Act 1, Sc v) - a tortuous mental corset? - and in Act V, Sc II, Hamlet's philosophy about 'The special providence in the fall of a sparrow', concluding with 'the readiness is all', I can still see Scofield's tranquility and acceptance of death - the kind of moment when an audience goes from being quiet to a stunned silence.    Brook also suggested that the final 'The rest is silence' could be seen as Satreian but he didn't interpret it as being bleak in the slightest.   I certainly concur that there is no such thing as a definitive production.     'Every production is a collaboration with the actors...and is for now.'

The musical score is by Toshi Tsuchitori; no fanfares and kettle drums; as scene changes are accompanied by the sitar and I assume (please advise in due course) the equivalent of a viol?    The players are welcomed with a Noh Theatre flourish, more in keeping with Akira Kurosawa, introducing contact with the Far East.   All this dovetails with ease.

I've also retrieved from the shelves, 'John Gielgud directs Richard Burton in Hamlet' (1968) Heinemann Educational Books, a most practical journal of the rehearsals for the Broadway Hamlet.   A fascinating insight and, craftily, JG having played the Prince for 20 years carefully advised Burton to avoid the showy climaxes and concentrate on the important 'stops' (less is more) during a long evening.   It's probably unlikely that they still exist but I used to withdraw theatre books from the British Drama League in Fitzroy Square.

Anyhow, I can send a DVD of the Peter Brook programmes within a day or two, if you don't already have it.   
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« Reply #14 on: 22:08:42, 30-09-2008 »

Hamlet is a man out of his time. Or at least out of his play.
He is stuck inside a revenge tragedy with too many ethics to do what he feels driven to do.
Everything spirals out of control.
Francis Bacon says 'revenge is a kind of wild justice', and this quote was written in capital letters on the inside cover of my copy while I did A-Levels (the front cover had Wyndham Lewis's portrait of Eliot stuck over the portrait of Shakespeare) and in many ways that sums up the revenge tragedy genre.
Murder creates something akin to a black hole in the centre of the plot - an offence against nature (cf Old Hamlet's speech) - which sucks everything and everybody in. The fact that the Player King is reciting the death of Priam is not accidental. Hamlet wants to be Pyrrhus (but that's interesting in itself because in the Aeneid, we view Priam sympathetically, whereas Pyrrhus appears as a cold monster) but can only enjoy the fantasy - he feels he needs proof (hence the play within the play). I love the way that Patrick Stewart (Claudius) responds to Derek Jacobi's (Hamlet) actions following the play (this is the famous BBC adaptation): looking him straight in the eye, flanked on either side by torch-bearing servants, scornfully scoffs 'bring me some light'.

Revenge tragedy as a genre is full of two-dimensional characters and lunatics. Hamlet is neither, even though he attempts to become the latter in an attempt to 'play his part' (seems? nay is, madam). In some ways, his actions don't get much beyond a jealous spitting teenage boy, but in others there seems to be a sense in which he's being driven in a number of conflicting directions by what the ghost is telling him, what he believes is true, and what his heart tells him about (for example) his mother.

Gormenghast's Titus Groan as Hamlet?

It's only when he faces death as a reality (when he swaps places with R&G) and returns to Denmark, that he attains any kind of peace, but it's not the peace that drives him towards a single action. His motto becomes 'the readiness is all'. When he knows that he's dying, he takes advantage of this fact to achieve his revenge. Would he have done this if that had not been the case? Revenge drives Laertes mad and dooms him. Revenge and violence dooms every character implicit in the overlooking of Old Hamlet's death.

All of this assumes that Old Hamlet was murdered by Claudius - and I would argue strongly that the cycle of violence that Shakespeare creates points towards this being true - but it's interesting to consider 'what if?'. I believe I've read somewhere about a production where Old Hamlet is merely Young Hamlet in a mirror. The ghost merely tells Hamlet what he wants to hear.

Horatio - is there a link to the Latin? Horatio is Hamlet's mouthpiece after death. In some ways, all we are seeing is Horatio's account of Hamlet's life (possibly why we don't see the action aboard the ship [apart from the theatrical limitations]). Apparently, one of my brother's lecturers told him that Hamlet was obviously in love with Horatio, and that his biggest mistake was that he didn't kill him early on in the play... Go figure.

One of my most memorable Hamlets was at the RSC with Branagh as Hamlet sometime around 1995. Complete and unabridged. We were sitting in the Gods (and couldn't see Old Hamlet when he appeared). Modern production but quite minimal. Gorgeous.

I can probably say more but this is incoherent and rambling enough I suspect.
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