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« Reply #30 on: 21:54:31, 13-10-2007 »

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Don't you think we could help him feel happier by not criticising him after a pretty hard job well done?

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« Reply #31 on: 22:00:00, 13-10-2007 »

Where is the criticism, apart from the shutting down of the board for a few hours? If you are unhappy in your job, then moving on to something else is often the best way. That is all I am saying.

Anyway, I am smiling  Grin. If I haven't posted much over the last week or so, it's simply because I've been particularly busy at work. I like this board and all the people on it. I'm going to the pub now  Tongue. I just hope it's not full of rowdy rugger types.  Sad
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« Reply #32 on: 22:25:46, 13-10-2007 »

Hey guys,

I'd firstly like to apologise to Tony, during the last episode I do remember saying I didn't want thanks, but I probably did it in an abrubt manner.  I think I was trying to make it clear that at that time I was in no way wrangling for thanks, but probably made a complete hash up of it.

To Everyone, rest assured that R3OK will remain long after I am no longer here.  In no way do I want to seperate a community that has formed.  Sure, I done 1% of the work in creating a place, but everyone else has done the real work and created a community.
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« Reply #33 on: 22:33:42, 13-10-2007 »

Obviously what is needed is some kind of moderation system where threads,topics are voted off, and a value set i.e. 3 users required to vote things off etc, i think a major problem is the amount of time required to moderate.

Perhaps things would be easier if more people are given moderator status ?

Is this the same Byron who usually posts? I'm staggered to find that I find it a mature and sensible suggestion....bloomin 'eck, lad, 'as tha tekken a blow to tha 'ead?

I'd suggest that Martin seems to offer the best way forward, with more support for the present owner of the board, and a clearer deliniation of its boundaries; although the two sites overlap comprehensively at the moment, I think it's likely that the new one will develop its own momentum and grow organically in a different direction, in very much the same way as this took time to reach its stride and establish its own profile.

As with any parting, there will be temptations for blame and recrimination: but I'd strongly urge folk to resist them for now: what's said in the heat of the moment is often by definition inflammatory, and in no way helpful. The board will cheer up in time, but not through the rictus grin of smilies: people need to establish a new equilibrium and feel at ease again, and that doesn't just happen, nor can it be engineered; it's in the hands of Time, the healer.

 I've not felt like posting here for a week or so, simply because the atmosphere meant that there was nothing appearing to which I felt I could usefully add, but this thread is crucial to the board's survival, and needs to be considered seriously.
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« Reply #34 on: 22:39:48, 13-10-2007 »

Where is the criticism, apart from the shutting down of the board for a few hours? If you are unhappy in your job, then moving on to something else is often the best way. That is all I am saying.

Anyway, I am smiling  Grin. If I haven't posted much over the last week or so, it's simply because I've been particularly busy at work. I like this board and all the people on it. I'm going to the pub now  Tongue. I just hope it's not full of rowdy rugger types.  Sad

I don't see anything wrong with shutting his board down for a few hours if that's what he felt he wanted to do (and who could blame him?!). In point of fact, it showed some of us who cared about it what it would be like not to have it.

Moving on to something else if you are not happy is sometimes a cop-out - much better to try and understand what is causing the unhappiness and do something about that instead. I think it is quite obvious that most people still here would be very sad to see this board close down.

I think there are still some people here who are drenched only in their own crocodile tears, and perhaps should show a little more maturity in considering all the factors that have fed into these difficulties. I should suggest that few of these are attributable to the moderators. How strinasacchi (message #27) can seriously question the wish to "move on" is beyond comprehension - perhaps we should instead simply stay put, see the board close, and be somehow "content" to remain angry?

I don't think so - and fully expect this forum to remain open for business for some time to come.

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« Reply #35 on: 22:42:16, 13-10-2007 »

Michael,

I have to say I haven't agreed with the stance you have taken several times, but by far outweighing that is the fact that without you we wouldn't have had 8 months of some wonderous discussions, complete hilarity, waffle, and made some very good friendships.  A huge thank you.

There's a whole knot of problems arisen over the last few weeks, probably reknotting a load of old issues from the first unresolved issue.  One of them, which I may have alluded to before, is that we all probably have different ideas of what we want and expect from moderators.

It is very regrettable that you have been made to feel unrespected - no one on board should feel that way, moderator or poster.  Please accept my apologies for any hurt I have caused you.  Maybe you have some other reasons for stepping down too - everyone's circumstances change.

But before you make a final decision, please consider whether or not you would enjoy moderation if it were different.  What would it take (from you and from the community) for you to remain a moderator?  Maybe come up with a few scenarios.

I agree that this board has so much going for it that it will not just drop down dead, whatever you decide.  Please regard that as a huge feather in your cap.  It's all thanks to you.

Very best wishes

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« Reply #36 on: 11:12:25, 14-10-2007 »

I know I probably should not be asking this, but can someone explain what has been going on and what the disagreements were about? I have been away from the board due to guests staying and illness - so it's all a bit of a shock.

I can't find any of the offending posts, so I presume they have been deleted or locked? Seems a pity.

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« Reply #37 on: 13:22:11, 14-10-2007 »

I wasn't following developments closely either, BB, but as far as I can gather from talk surrounding events, a political discussion degenerated into personal attacks and some very strict moderation was necessary. The next day the board was closed completely, and unaccessible for several hours which seems to have given some of us the idea that it had closed permanently, so they set off to a new venue with Perfect Wagnerite playing Moses and setting up the new venue.

The new venue seems to have a slightly different scope than here, and at present is thriving pretty well, although some of the members seem to have disappeared into whatever part of the ether they prefer when things get hot.
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« Reply #38 on: 16:44:11, 14-10-2007 »

I would like to apologize to Michael if my first posting on this thread was needlessly obscure and open to a range of interpretation. For the record and for what it's worth, I am quite happy for Michael to stay. He certainly doesn't have to go. I think that those who are still here and still posting (like me for one!) are, by definition, happy with him at the helm.
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« Reply #39 on: 16:50:30, 14-10-2007 »

Barebodkin and Kitty,

For a denouement, go to the Viewable Archives in the Admin Boards at the bottom of the homepage.

Chronologically you should probably start with the bottom thread, then the top, then the middle.
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« Reply #40 on: 20:00:17, 14-10-2007 »

I often push the boundaries in a cheeky way, as is my nature, and have had warnings and a near temporary suspension and can say, as a person who has used other boards, this board can sometimes have stricter than expected moderaton in some areas BUT it is very fair really and even handed.

I have to say, as i only pop in now and then, i do feel a bit guilty about being cheeky sometimes, as did not realise the amount of posting traffic that was going on so my 'being cheeky' was more of a pain than I realised, as when you have to check lots of 'reported to moderator' things it can become a nightmare.

Anyway,this board allows pm, emails etc, so if you want to discuss something 'off board' you can always do it via email or msn, so i don't see the big deal. 
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« Reply #41 on: 20:33:58, 14-10-2007 »

I don't think Michael should flounce off  but I think he's made his mind up.

Anyway, thanks for setting this place up and rescuing us, Michael.  I for one am very grateful indeed and hope it stays in place.  We have a lot of choice now.  Four boards.  We're a bit fragmented as a result but who cares?  Not me.
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« Reply #42 on: 20:44:56, 14-10-2007 »

At my age (now 112) I have sufficient experience to know, without any doubt whatsoever, that politics will always cause problems in any sort of discussion group.  There will always be extremes, or near extremes, of both left and right and no amount of give and take will stop eventual unpleasantness arising.

I am personally most grateful to Michael for setting up this site and for all the work he has so generously taken upon himself.  Hopefully, the present grey clouds will move away and reasonable sanity re-appear.
I am 100% in agreement with what Baziron, an extremely sensible man, has posted.

Finally, may I remind folks that a couple of posters on the old BBC boards raised political matters asking Members to back them by taking certain actions.  I felt then that lessons should have been learnt and that the BBC should have stepped in immediately as matters soon became somewhat unpleasant.  

Again, thankyou Michael, and I must express the hope that upon re-consideration you will reverse your  decision.

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« Reply #43 on: 20:47:46, 14-10-2007 »

Ho Milly.  I am sorry you found it necessary to use the word "flounce".  Flouncing is usually accompanied by a jerk of the body or a limb.  I cannot think tht Michael was involved in any such movements.
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« Reply #44 on: 20:57:25, 14-10-2007 »

I think we shold do a wigmore trip and all buy michael lots of drinks Smiley

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