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not judge so much as learn, simply don't act oneself in a way one does not like in others; I profoundly believe that is the most productive attitude both for one's own well-being and in terms of the implications for others.
This is all very good to read and worth all of us here bearing in mind. I don't want to be churlish, but, this being a grumpy old rant room, "not judging" might perhaps include not assuming that, because another contributor isn't interested in partaking in a heated discussion about some subject or other (on a messageboard at a particular time), they find that subject uninteresting or unimportant or irrelevant. I think we've hammered this subject to death, so I'm not going to dwell on it much longer. Just to say, I do agree with the above (and always have done) but would add the converse proviso that just because one is not interested in partaking in such a heated discussion doesn't mean that others mightn't be, and if one isn't interested, why not simply not respond (an option chosen by the majority in any discussion on anything on here, bearing in mind the ratio of members to posters on a thread) rather than jumping in to declare that the subject is irrelevant or unimportant? I think there have been some crossed wires involving both your feeling expressed above, and mine expressed right now - worth both parties (and others) bearing both those things in mind. |
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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« Reply #1411 on: 11:54:57, 06-05-2007 » |
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I think that some times health of the individuals and community is at stake.
For example, I come in contact with many people and it is better to keep people like me on site. I am able to send many people to the concert halls, plus I am in a good position to educate them.
Or I can withdraw completely, don't come to any concerts myself, play for myself (thanks be to God all mighty I don't need anything from anybody at the moment) and don't get involved in anything.
Many people here took this attitude. I just don't know what option to take. I think I will take the option to resign and do my own thing: teaching and playing for myself, because I am not a concert pianist.
I will try to learn more about contemporary music on my own with the help of the board and Radio 3. I don't see any other option, but to see how one uses public money for personal gain irritates the hell out of me.
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If I may toss my (late-as-usual) two penn'orth in; I have learned two important lessons which I consider to be worth passing on (Oh come on Kitty! More preaching to the choir?) - In the field of the arts in general; many become disheartened and bitter as a result of their experiences so they take it out on their juniors, which tends to make them disheartened and bitter in their turn.
- Supporting and helping people who need help seldom offers any tangible benefits, although you may get a reputation for being a 'good person', but more importantly you are likely to feel better about yourself.
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In the field of the arts in general; many become disheartened and bitter as a result of their experiences so they take it out on their juniors, which tends to make them disheartened and bitter in their turn. Yes, didn't Philip Larkin write a poem about that? ... |
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« Reply #1414 on: 13:49:43, 06-05-2007 » |
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Only one ship is seeking us, a black-
Sailed unfamiliar, towing at her back
A huge and birdless silence. In her wake
No waters breed or break.
(from 'Next, Please', 1955) by Larkin. Thank you Kitty and t_i_n.
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For example, I come in contact with many people and it is better to keep people like me on site.
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« Reply #1416 on: 14:13:20, 06-05-2007 » |
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For example, I come in contact with many people and it is better to keep people like me on site.
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« Reply #1417 on: 14:16:38, 06-05-2007 » |
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t-p, I was thinking of this one http://www.tetrameter.com/larkin.htm - but yours is very beautiful. A, t-p was talking about her local music association, not this messageboard!  |
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« Reply #1418 on: 14:25:36, 06-05-2007 » |
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I love it T-I-N. As it happens I don't have any. I was laughing reading. How did he captured what I was thinking all my life, but could not put into words.
But what word did I mean I don't know. I only hear people say and what monkey sees monkey does.
while living in america I heard that a young man put his parents in front of a court for giving birth to him. Isn't it something?
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« Reply #1419 on: 14:40:13, 06-05-2007 » |
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Only one ship is seeking us, a black-
Sailed unfamiliar, towing at her back
A huge and birdless silence. In her wake
No waters breed or break.
(from 'Next, Please', 1955) by Larkin. Thank you Kitty and t_i_n.
t-p, I don't think that's the Larkin poem t_i_n meant. See if you can find the one called 'This be the Verse'. It has rather a famous first line, and is very, very true.  Oops, was late with this I see! As you were. |
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« Reply #1421 on: 14:57:34, 06-05-2007 » |
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This Ain't The Verse
They tuck you up, your Mum and Dad
They read you Peter Rabbit, too.
They give you all the treats they had
And add some extra, just for you.
They were tucked up when they were small,
(Pink perfume, blue tobacco-smoke),
By those whose kiss healed any fall,
Whose laughter doubled any joke.
Man hands on happiness to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
So love your parents all you can
And have some cheerful kids yourself.
Heeeeeeeeliuuuum....
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« Reply #1422 on: 15:08:29, 06-05-2007 » |
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Man hands on happiness to man - This is what I think too. This is why I tried to help as many as I could. But one is responsible for himself too. Not to do harm to others is good, but there is reciprocity involved if everything goes one way only.
This is very nice poem. The other one was funny, but I see what it is coming from.
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« Reply #1424 on: 17:27:09, 06-05-2007 » |
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A, t-p was talking about her local music association, not this messageboard! I understood that t_is_n - it is just what she is talking about that I wonder ...I meet lots people to but contact I keep many with so if understand me they do it pleases me. A |
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