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« Reply #3225 on: 23:56:16, 03-10-2007 » |
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I did hear the first movement of the 7th in Schloss Sudden once, and found it quite mad.
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MabelJane
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« Reply #3226 on: 00:12:16, 04-10-2007 » |
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One person who didn't feature at all was Richard.
Baziron isn't there either  A But I'm there twice! |
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Merely corroborative detail, intended to give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative.
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Ian Pace
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« Reply #3227 on: 00:37:50, 04-10-2007 » |
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Brief rant that I often think about - why can't we teach philosophy in schools in the UK? Why, more widely, does philosophy have to be seen as the haven of the pretentious, outcast, disengaged, etc., etc.? I've for a long time found exploring, reading, contemplating serious philosophy a joy, a stimulant, and much more, and I'm sure many others would if they were introduced to it properly.
(I know many might point out that there are much more pressing issues in schools today, which I realise, but still the point remains - I've come across people from many other countries (not least from Eastern Europe) who have a solid grounding in a wide range of European philosophy, which was perfectly par for the course in their education. As with many things - if they can manage it, then so can we.)
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #3228 on: 00:44:38, 04-10-2007 » |
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So only including people who have killed two or more threads (that have been dead since the end of the last month), we get for the coffee bar
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10 John W
9 Tommo
8 t_i_n, A
5 Byron, George G, Kitty, Ollie
4 Auto, Eruanto, Inc, Martle, Morticia, Reiner, Tony W, Mabel J
3 CD, hh, Ian, IRF, Mary C, Milly, offbeat, PIM, Ron, Roslyn, Tonybob
2 Andy D, Bobby Z, Bryn, Daniel, MableJ, Roslyn, Ruth
One person who didn't feature at all was Richard.
I see I've killed off two AND three threads - does that make five???  I've tried to kill off the one to a million thread more than once by pointing out the futility of it but with no success. |
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« Reply #3229 on: 00:47:54, 04-10-2007 » |
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So only including people who have killed two or more threads (that have been dead since the end of the last month), we get for the coffee bar
11 t-p
10 John W
9 Tommo
8 t_i_n, A
5 Byron, George G, Kitty, Ollie
4 Auto, Eruanto, Inc, Martle, Morticia, Reiner, Tony W, Mabel J
3 CD, hh, Ian, IRF, Mary C, Milly, offbeat, PIM, Ron, Roslyn, Tonybob
2 Andy D, Bobby Z, Bryn, Daniel, MableJ, Roslyn, Ruth
One person who didn't feature at all was Richard.
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Click me -> About meor me -> my handmade storeNo, I'm not a complete idiot. I'm only a halfwit. In fact I'm actually a catfish. |
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« Reply #3230 on: 00:53:07, 04-10-2007 » |
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Brief rant that I often think about - why can't we teach philosophy in schools in the UK? Why, more widely, does philosophy have to be seen as the haven of the pretentious, outcast, disengaged, etc., etc.? I've for a long time found exploring, reading, contemplating serious philosophy a joy, a stimulant, and much more, and I'm sure many others would if they were introduced to it properly.
(I know many might point out that there are much more pressing issues in schools today, which I realise, but still the point remains - I've come across people from many other countries (not least from Eastern Europe) who have a solid grounding in a wide range of European philosophy, which was perfectly par for the course in their education. As with many things - if they can manage it, then so can we.)
Other than the fact of my suspicion that the first person plural here might be seen (rightly or otherwise) as having some kind of potential or actual Grewesque association, my answer is that, in sharing your evident regret for its paucity (if not actual absence), I have no idea why this is or should be so, other than due to a probable lack of suitably motivated and qualified teachers in the right places at the right times and an even more probable lack of interest within the state education sector in the idea and/or desirability of engaging with such issues as part of a formal teaching curriculum. Best, Alistair |
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« Reply #3232 on: 09:04:34, 04-10-2007 » |
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A rant... if I hear once more on the radio about how music education is no good I could just ........
I spent over 20 years trying to teach the little darlings how to appreciate and love music. Did the majority want to ? no, did they heck... just like most of their parents who 'Wished they could play the piano'..
We had 2 orchestras and 4 choirs in the last school I taught in... but no doubt some little darling will complain sometime about how bad the music education was in their school so it lets them off the hook.
When I get the comment 'Aren't you lucky to be able to play the violin and piano?' My reply is 'No I am lucky I had the opportunity , but it was darned hard work that enabled me to play'
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Well, there you are.
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« Reply #3233 on: 09:27:10, 04-10-2007 » |
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A rant... if I hear once more on the radio about how music education is no good I could just ........
I spent over 20 years trying to teach the little darlings how to appreciate and love music. Did the majority want to ? no, did they heck... just like most of their parents who 'Wished they could play the piano'..
We had 2 orchestras and 4 choirs in the last school I taught in... but no doubt some little darling will complain sometime about how bad the music education was in their school so it lets them off the hook.
When I get the comment 'Aren't you lucky to be able to play the violin and piano?' My reply is 'No I am lucky I had the opportunity , but it was darned hard work that enabled me to play'
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Such comments are - at face value - silly since they seem to challenge the value of music education. However, when put slightly differently so as to read " Provision for music education is currently useless" I would have to agree. Speaking as one whose child is just coming up to GCSE in Music, I am bound to ask if anyone could possibly disagree with this statement! Baz |
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« Reply #3234 on: 10:15:35, 04-10-2007 » |
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Reading the comments of A, Baz and Ian above, I do have to feel very lucky that I had excellent A-level teachers for both Music and Philosophy. I do think such provision was rare at the time, and from what I can gather about changes in the educational system since then (only 10 years ago) I think it's even rarer now.
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The city is a process which always veers away from the form envisaged and desired, ... whose revenge upon its architects and planners undoes every dream of mastery. It is [also] one of the sites where Dasein is assigned the impossible task of putting right what can never be put right. - Rob Lapsley
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Ruth Elleson
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« Reply #3235 on: 11:19:50, 04-10-2007 » |
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Ruth, sweetie. Was this I Capuletti etc? If so, please look it up.
Bless you, Don Basilio  - review duly posted over on the original thread. Actually I wasn't that surprised that nobody online was interested, given that at the performance I didn't run into one single friend, acquaintance, or "random person whose name I don't know but who frequents opera performances as I do" That NEVER happens, not in London anyway. Even when I went to see Der Rosenkavalier last November in Edinburgh, I ran into a friend from London... |
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Oft hat ein Seufzer, deiner Harf' entflossen,
Ein süßer, heiliger Akkord von dir
Den Himmel beßrer Zeiten mir erschlossen,
Du holde Kunst, ich danke dir dafür!
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« Reply #3236 on: 11:55:52, 04-10-2007 » |
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One person who didn't feature at all was Richard.
Baziron isn't there either A But I'm there twice! oops. my list says you killed four. |
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« Reply #3237 on: 11:58:42, 04-10-2007 » |
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So only including people who have killed two or more threads (that have been dead since the end of the last month), we get for the coffee bar
11 t-p
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9 Tommo
8 t_i_n, A
5 Byron, George G, Kitty, Ollie
4 Auto, Eruanto, Inc, Martle, Morticia, Reiner, Tony W, Mabel J
3 CD, hh, Ian, IRF, Mary C, Milly, offbeat, PIM, Ron, Roslyn, Tonybob
2 Andy D, Bobby Z, Bryn, Daniel, MableJ, Roslyn, Ruth
One person who didn't feature at all was Richard.
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« Reply #3238 on: 12:09:07, 04-10-2007 » |
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A rant... if I hear once more on the radio about how music education is no good I could just ........
I spent over 20 years trying to teach the little darlings how to appreciate and love music. Did the majority want to ? no, did they heck... just like most of their parents who 'Wished they could play the piano'..
We had 2 orchestras and 4 choirs in the last school I taught in... but no doubt some little darling will complain sometime about how bad the music education was in their school so it lets them off the hook.
When I get the comment 'Aren't you lucky to be able to play the violin and piano?' My reply is 'No I am lucky I had the opportunity , but it was darned hard work that enabled me to play'
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Such comments are - at face value - silly since they seem to challenge the value of music education. However, when put slightly differently so as to read " Provision for music education is currently useless" I would have to agree. Speaking as one whose child is just coming up to GCSE in Music, I am bound to ask if anyone could possibly disagree with this statement! Baz As someone whose child is also just coming up to GCSE Music, I know what you mean. First, provision in schools is extremely patchy - there are schools with exceptional music teachers, but plenty of others where the provision is minimal. Nobody at a political really seems to care about the latter, probably because it is about civilisation rather than economic competitiveness. One might have thought that a political class obsessed with the alleged waywardness of youth might have learned something from "La Sistema", but I suppose we've got the Olympics  The other point about GCSE Music seems to be just how little theory you can now get away with (far less than when I did mine back in the 1970s), and the very low demands that the performance elements of the exam can make on performers. And, crusty old fart that I am, I remain perplexed as to what "Dance Club Remix (with composition element)" is doing on a public exam syllabus. |
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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Mary Chambers
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« Reply #3239 on: 12:27:06, 04-10-2007 » |
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I'm fed up about the postal strike, however much it may be justified. I rely on Royal Mail for repeat prescriptions, and I'm also waiting for the renewal of my railcard and some train tickets, both ordered online, but delivered (or not) by post.
On the positive side, it may slow down my spending on eBay, and Amazon - does Amazon use Royal Mail, though? I'm sure their Marketplace sellers do.
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