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Author Topic: Paul McCartney: honest composer or charlatan?  (Read 3768 times)
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« Reply #105 on: 14:35:11, 25-08-2007 »

For me it's a matter of soaring vocal lines and testosterone-laden big band writing à la Goldfinger or Diamonds are Forever or Thunderball. (Although I'm sure they don't necessarily have to be sung by Welshpersons.)
I'm sure that our noble movie-composer lord Sir Richard Rodney Barrett will be relieved to know that...

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« Reply #106 on: 14:50:29, 25-08-2007 »

I would neither welcome nor expect a situation where the kind of funding of which Ian writes comes - and is henceforward expected to come - solely from "public" sources (i.e. via HM Treasury and/or local authority taxes in UK); the reason for this view is not at all political - it is simply because, as I mentioned in my response to Ian and have alluded to elsewhere in the past, every conceivable source of funding - public, corporate and private individual - must continually be explored and tapped as far as possible in order to keep afloat those things that we so value.
I'd be very surprised if there's a musical institution anywhere who is in the position of being forced to turn back those alternative sources of funding if they are offered them (unless they come with some questionable strings attached) by virtue of being in receipt of public money. The issue is of whether they should have to find it that way rather than being able to operate with the security of public money. And I'm sorry, but any question of how money raised through taxation is spent (or whether it is to be spent or raised through taxes at all), is in every sense of the word a political question.
Taking the last bit first, I agree with what you say about that political question, but that's not the point I was making; of course it's a political issue how HM Treasury spends the money it nicks off those of us who pay, but what I had said was that my reason for not wishing to exclude other funding sources is not fuelled by any political stance on my part, so it seems that you may have misread my meaning there. I do also agree that there remains a potential (and no doubt in some cases actual) problem of conflict of interest when public and private sponsorship might become available for a single project - you're absolutely right to point that out - but what I'm trying to say here is that the view on this needs to change, purely because the sheer need for funding is so great that the expectation that it can come in sufficiency purely from public, private individual or corporate sources alone is pie in the sky. The risk of strings possibly being attached to private individual or corporate sponsorship deals may not necesarily be any greater than in the case of publicly funded projects and it is important to establish some kind of universally accepted understanding that no such strung attachments are at all welcome in arts funding, irrespective of the nature of the source of the funds concerned.

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OK - so now back to Sir Elliott McCarterney (except that his would probably by choice be a flying stone rather than a standing one - and certainly nor a rolling one...)
Well, the obvious question in this context is to do with how much public money, directly or indirectly, McCartney's 'classical' projects received, and why those would receive such support (for example by being played by publicly funded orchestras) when his other projects do not, presumably? Not least considering that the classical projects are most definitely commercial successes, albeit not on the level of Beatles hits or maybe some of his other work.
I suppose that it is inevitable that some people might balk at the thought that Sir M Cartney might have gotten public or indeed any other kind of sponsorship for any of his "classical" projects when he can so easily afford to buy and run an entire symphony orchestra out of just some of the change in his designer back pocket...

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Alistair
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« Reply #107 on: 15:10:54, 25-08-2007 »

Hang on, there's a great James Bond song?

In my book there are several but Live and Let Die is the only one of those that doesn't sound like a James Bond song. Nice rhythms too.
What does a James Bond song sound like?  Roll Eyes

They seem to involve a lot of stuff about dieing. Now that I come to think of it, wasn't Dowland rather similar?
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« Reply #108 on: 15:19:06, 25-08-2007 »

Hang on, there's a great James Bond song?

In my book there are several but Live and Let Die is the only one of those that doesn't sound like a James Bond song. Nice rhythms too.
What does a James Bond song sound like?  Roll Eyes

They seem to involve a lot of stuff about dieing. Now that I come to think of it, wasn't Dowland rather similar?
He also had a comparable line in innuendo... Wink
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« Reply #109 on: 15:24:51, 25-08-2007 »

We've had Sting singing Dowland so why not Shirley Bassey?

... and how about Emma Kirkby singing "Goldfinger"? (With His Majesty's Sagbutts and Cornets of course.)
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« Reply #110 on: 15:26:07, 25-08-2007 »

In my book there are several but Live and Let Die is the only one of those that doesn't sound like a James Bond song. Nice rhythms too.

Although I still can't quite reconcile myself to the line: "But if this ever changing world in which we live in..."


... and how about Emma Kirkby singing "Goldfinger"? (With His Majesty's Sagbutts and Cornets of course.)

God, you know how to press my buttons, don't you Barrett.
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« Reply #111 on: 15:27:00, 25-08-2007 »

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He also had a comparable line in innuendo...

"Casino Royale", or "How I Got Away With The Lute".
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« Reply #112 on: 15:27:28, 25-08-2007 »

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He also had a comparable line in innuendo...

"Casino Royale", or "How I Got Away With The Lute".

Come again? Wink
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« Reply #113 on: 15:28:12, 25-08-2007 »

Although I still can't quite reconcile myself to the line: "But if this ever changing world in which we live in..."  
"... in which we're living", surely?
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« Reply #114 on: 15:30:27, 25-08-2007 »

... and how about Emma Kirkby singing "Goldfinger"? (With His Majesty's Sagbutts and Cornets of course.)

Charles Daniels, shurely? Wink
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« Reply #115 on: 15:32:05, 25-08-2007 »

Now you're just being silly.
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« Reply #116 on: 15:35:48, 25-08-2007 »

Although I still can't quite reconcile myself to the line: "But if this ever changing world in which we live in..."

It's no worse than the Cliff Richard song In the Country:

When the world in which you live in
Gets a bit too much to bear...

http://www.lyricsvault.net/songs/10950.html

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« Reply #117 on: 15:36:12, 25-08-2007 »

Although I still can't quite reconcile myself to the line: "But if this ever changing world in which we live in..."  
"... in which we're living", surely?
Well that would indeed be an admirable solution but it doesn't seem to be what he sings. And the First Folio has it thus:

"When you were young
and your heart was an open book
You used to say live and let live
you know you did
you know you did
you know you did
But if this ever changin world
in which we live in
Makes you give in and cry
Say live and let die
Live and let die"

Ooh, just moved on to the next track, "It's just another day", an example of a post-Lennon McCartney song which I would submit is....jolly good. There are a few.
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« Reply #118 on: 15:57:43, 25-08-2007 »

Lennon lost the lyrics plot too. I submit:

'Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too'

from 'Imagine'. And I think George is right about 'in which we live in' (i.e. that Macca sings it that way).

For the record, I think the best two Bond songs are both Barry's: Diamonds are Forever, and From Russia with Love.  Grin


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« Reply #119 on: 16:10:24, 25-08-2007 »

Hmm. It seems I've been under the misapprehension all these years that PMcC's English grammar was on a level with his songwriting skills as opposed to his prowess as an orchestral composer.

As for John Barry, let's please not forget the intro to "You Only Live Twice".
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