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Author Topic: Karlheinz Stockhausen  (Read 20523 times)
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« Reply #570 on: 19:14:33, 07-12-2007 »

A composer friend I phoned as soon as I saw Richard's post said that he thought Stockhausen had invented a greater range of new things to do with sound than anyone else he could think of in the entire history of music, and not only that, but produced wonderful pieces with them.

The announcement from Kürten which Bryn has posted elsewhere is very beautiful and I'll second its sentiments. I'll listen to Inori before I go to sleep tonight.
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« Reply #571 on: 20:16:42, 07-12-2007 »

Stockhausen has died on the 5th of December.

God rest his soul.

This was rather unexpected; when I saw him last, in summer 2006, he was in fantastic shape, full of energy. The four compositions that I have heard from his new cycle Klang (Sound), started in 2004, are all of the highest quality and originality, and he seemed bound to go on composing for a long time.

I will miss him, but I will always treasure his music.

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« Reply #572 on: 20:41:33, 07-12-2007 »

I think Al's right: this is what I said to a friend on the phone earlier, that Stockhausen is a rare instance of a composer not only finishing a major, decades-long project but coming out the other side with still more to say, and continuing to produce good work. I can't think of many other composers nearing 80 whose future works I would have been so sorry to miss.
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« Reply #573 on: 21:02:13, 07-12-2007 »

There's really not much I can add; Stimmung in the dark with candles tonight, I think.
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« Reply #574 on: 22:35:20, 07-12-2007 »

This is going to take time to digest.
Even though I believe that his best work dates from the pre-Licht period, I had been pleasantly surprised by an awful lot of his recent music.
No matter how you look at it, his death is an invitation to take stock.
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« Reply #575 on: 17:16:57, 08-12-2007 »

This is odd , but hearing his son Markus' trumpet improv, harmonically copnservative as it is,there's a link in the rhythmic approach betwen father and son that elucidates Karlheinz for me. Nearest I can get to it is 'elemental', so that if all the complex elements are in place and are felt in sync, the idiom flows.
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« Reply #576 on: 22:55:23, 08-12-2007 »

I haven't really been that interested in what Stockhausen has been doing recently, the works which I'll remember are the Klavierstücke, Mikrophonie I & II, Stimmung, Gruppen, a work the name of which I can't remember but which is to be performed in a city park on midsummer's day (anyone help me?) - I attended a  realisation of it by BCMG in Cannon Hill Park a few years ago. But other things have left me cold including another work which I can't remember the name of and which I would definitely have left at half time, if there'd been an interval - as it was I had to endure the whole thing. I should find out what it's called in case I accidentally go to a performance again!  I heard Irvine Arditti talking about how they asked him to write a string quartet for them and he said he didn't write string quartets - unless the musicians are in 4 helicopters presumably!

Btw we seem to have 3 Stockhausen threads (at least) - wasn't quite sure where to post.
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« Reply #577 on: 23:05:10, 08-12-2007 »

a work the name of which I can't remember but which is to be performed in a city park on midsummer's day (anyone help me?) - I attended a  realisation of it by BCMG in Cannon Hill Park a few years ago.
Sternklang
Stockhausen Verlag has issued a recording but if I'm honest, I haven't listened to it all the way through yet.
If I'm not honest, I have.
including another work which I can't remember the name of and which I would definitely have left at half time, if there'd been an interval - as it was I had to endure the whole thing.
Go on, give us a clue.
Btw we seem to have 3 Stockhausen threads (at least) - wasn't quite sure where to post.
I'm sure it'll all be rationalised before too long... Fret ye not.
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« Reply #578 on: 23:14:02, 08-12-2007 »

to be performed in a city park on midsummer's day (anyone help me?) - I attended a  realisation of it by BCMG in Cannon Hill Park a few years ago

Sternklang doesn't have to be performed on a midsummer's day, although obviously it's better if it doesn't rain. I listened to the CDs all through earlier on today, actually, though I've had the LPs of the same recording since they came out in 1978. It's really an expansion on the basic idea of Stimmung.

My own Stockhausen nadir was Orchester-Finalisten of which I saw the first performance. But actually there are a number of more recent KS pieces which have appalled me on first hearing but which subsequently I've come to appreciate, like Montag aus LICHT which I saw at the Amsterdam Concertgebouw and even wrote a highly disappointed review of for Tempo, but which subsequently (through the medium of the CD recording) I came to regard as something quite special. I don't think this is likely to happen with Orchester-Finalisten though (it was played twice in the concert, and the second version was made worse by my knowing what was going to happen). There are a few elements of LICHT I don't much care for, others which I wouldn't be without.
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« Reply #579 on: 23:17:23, 08-12-2007 »

My own Stockhausen nadir was Orchester-Finalisten of which I saw the first performance.
Oh yes. That's a corker. I saw it at Huddersfield in '96 during my first exposure (beyond a few bars of Kontrapunkt in the London board's A-level anthology) to his music. It was the horrific moment where the mummy descends the stairs with the dinner gong. You can see it happening and I was thinking that he couldn't possibly be serious and that I must have been hallucinating.
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« Reply #580 on: 23:24:24, 08-12-2007 »

including another work which I can't remember the name of and which I would definitely have left at half time, if there'd been an interval - as it was I had to endure the whole thing.
Go on, give us a clue.
Well I seem to have erased most of my memories of the piece but there were (possibly) 4 groups of vocalists, dressed in different coloured shirts plus an instrumental ensemble. I can't remember much more I'm afraid, as I was just so bored.
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« Reply #581 on: 23:28:30, 08-12-2007 »

That sounds as if it might have been Momente, although that's usually performed with an interval. Was there also a solo soprano and two electric organs?

I love that piece by the way.
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« Reply #582 on: 23:36:30, 08-12-2007 »

What about Carré, Richard. Four vocal groups in that, IIRC.
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« Reply #583 on: 23:39:12, 08-12-2007 »

You could be right Richard, but I can't remember any more about it. The title does sound familiar though.

Thanks to you and hh for Sternklang - now that really was an event. I enjoyed it immensely and there were lots of people there who obviously weren't contemporary music enthusiasts but who could appreciate the whole experience. It occurred on midsummer's day starting at 9pm - and the weather was very good which helped of course as people could just lie around on the grass if they felt like it.
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« Reply #584 on: 23:40:43, 08-12-2007 »

But there are four orchestras as well (it's been a while - how big are the orchestras?)
I was thinking something along the lines of Engel-Prozessionen from Sonntag since I seemed to remember something about the significance of the coloured shirts, but it's for a cappella choir.
Momente sounds like the most plausible from a quick scan of his worklist.
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