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Author Topic: DEBUSSY: "Soulless and devoid of a true musical sense"?  (Read 1480 times)
Ian Pace
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« Reply #45 on: 18:10:05, 13-06-2007 »

Now I'm really going to stick my neck out and say that I believe Ravel was a greater composer than Debussy! (Sorry to bring him into it, it's not because I think there are many similarities between the two composers, just because I wanted to say that!)

Such a comment deserves its own thread - http://r3ok.myforum365.com/index.php?topic=1279.0
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« Reply #46 on: 21:49:15, 13-06-2007 »

Yes, Chafing Dish did say Delius was regurgitated Debussy, but either way round it comes to the same thing, doesn't it? Clearly since Delius was a great master of subtle harmony (and I'm quite happy that he should be called an !Impressionist") and Debussy wasn't, then Chafing Dish's assertion is wrong. How can a trite manipulator of the whole-tone scale be "regurgitated Delius"? And turning off the radio is no answer to over-exposure of certain composers. If one wants to listen to the radio, one doesn't want constant over-exposure of Debussy, Ravel and Prokofiev; one wants a balanced presentation of a wide variety of masters: OK, there is a wide variety normally, but think how much more music by rare and under-exposed composers could be being played instead of the constant diet of "La Valse", noisy nonsense by Prokofiev, or tame whole-tone scales by Debussy. In fact, I do not any longer listen to Radio 3, and only to News and Current Affairs on 4, such is the unsatisfactory nature of contemporary broadcasting by the BBC. CDs and cassettes have to form the backbone of my listening nowadays.
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« Reply #47 on: 02:52:01, 14-06-2007 »

Yes, Chafing Dish did say Delius was regurgitated Debussy, but either way round it comes to the same thing, doesn't it?
No, it amounts to the opposite thing. Debussy didn't regurgitate Delius because he didn't consume him. I admit that the analogy is rather crude, but I'm just stating an opinion, not making a claim of truth. Sorry to step on your little rose garden.

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Clearly since Delius was a great master of subtle harmony (and I'm quite happy that he should be called an !Impressionist") and Debussy wasn't, then Chafing Dish's assertion is wrong.
My assertion is no more wrong than yours. I was stating an opinion, not making a truth-claim.

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How can a trite manipulator of the whole-tone scale be "regurgitated Delius"?
Who? Debussy? Is that how you see his work? OK. You've made clear where you stand. Enjoy your Delius, and if any happens to be allotted to me, you can have that too.
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