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'If all you know about is music, you don't know about that either.'
I've never been able to verify that quote, I'd very much like to be able to find it again.
http://www.eislermusic.com/life.htm
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« Reply #76 on: 19:51:46, 18-09-2007 » |
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"Wer nur von Musik etwas versteht, versteht auch davon nichts" is how the original goes, at least in the form in which it's generally quoted, but I've never tracked down the context in which he said it.
I believe Reich has always been a convinced Zionist.
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« Reply #77 on: 19:57:55, 18-09-2007 » |
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Off topic, I know, but does anyone know the original source of the comment attributed to Schoenberg 'My music isn't modern, it's only badly played'? I've searched all over the place for the this, and asked various people who know plenty about Schoenberg, but still haven't found the original source - any help would be appreciated.
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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« Reply #78 on: 20:20:58, 18-09-2007 » |
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I believe Reich has always been a convinced Zionist.
Actually, he mentioned in a lecture at this past June in Buffalo (which I've just transcribed, which is how I know) that he "rediscovered" his Judaism in 1984, although he started setting Hebrew in 1981 with Tehillim. I can't guarantee, of course, that Judaism preceded (or was coincident with) Zionism--I know nothing about Reich's Zionism or lack thereof--but it's an idea.
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I believe Reich has always been a convinced Zionist.
Actually, he mentioned in a lecture at this past June in Buffalo (which I've just transcribed, which is how I know) that he "rediscovered" his Judaism in 1984, although he started setting Hebrew in 1981 with Tehillim. I can't guarantee, of course, that Judaism preceded (or was coincident with) Zionism--I know nothing about Reich's Zionism or lack thereof--but it's an idea. Do we know anything about Feldman's Zionism or otherwise?
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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« Reply #80 on: 20:55:08, 18-09-2007 » |
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Not so sure that Feldman was at all politically motivated (perhaps merely on a token basis), I think you'll find more with Stefan Wolpe's somewhat complicated relation to Zionism, since (to my understanding) he was a communist coming from Berlin stopping off at Austria, Romania, and perhaps a few other places... I've been trying to Google around for things relating to Music in the Jewish Community of Palestine 1880-1948, but the articles on offer are all under academic lock and key. Wolpe of course went to a Kibbutz from around 1934-38 and wrote workers songs, ...-those that I've heard haven''t really interested me.
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Not so sure that Feldman was at all politically motivated (perhaps merely on a token basis), I think you'll find more with Stefan Wolpe's somewhat complicated relation to Zionism, since (to my understanding) he was a communist coming from Berlin stopping off at Austria, Romania, and perhaps a few other places... I've been trying to Google around for things relating to Music in the Jewish Community of Palestine 1880-1948, but the articles on offer are all under academic lock and key. Wolpe of course went to a Kibbutz from around 1934-38 and wrote workers songs, ...-those that I've heard haven''t really interested me.
Yes, speaking of Philip Glass ...
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« Reply #82 on: 21:18:08, 18-09-2007 » |
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oh, I do beg your pardon, I was merely responding to comrad Pace's relating Feldman with Zionism, and had plainly overlooked the actual topic in question, what was it again?
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« Reply #83 on: 21:38:16, 18-09-2007 » |
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what was it again?
I think it's a sign that everyone's run out of things to say about Philip Glass. I once flicked through a book about PG and his music, in which the author, or Glass, referred to the innovative technique used in (one or more of) his operas of associating musical themes with particular characters.
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« Reply #84 on: 21:40:43, 18-09-2007 » |
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GOSH!
I can't believe no one had thought of that before.
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« Reply #85 on: 22:23:28, 18-09-2007 » |
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I think it's a sign that everyone's run out of things to say about Philip Glass.
...when there do seem to be a number of much more interesting and contradictory US composers to discuss; a few were mentioned above, (with the exception of Babbite)
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« Reply #86 on: 22:25:11, 18-09-2007 » |
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I think it's a sign that everyone's run out of things to say about Philip Glass.
...when there do seem to be a number of much more interesting and contradictory US composers to discuss; a few were mentioned above, (with the exception of Babbite) Well, I think there's a lot to discuss in Glass; but inevitably the discussion tends to get bogged down by "he was so much better when..." (is there anyone who doesn't think that? and is there another composer whose career trajectory is so universally lamented?) But I'd certainly be up for a more in-depth discussion of early Glass. Music in Fifths, anyone?
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« Reply #87 on: 22:28:05, 18-09-2007 » |
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I believe Reich has always been a convinced Zionist.
Actually, he mentioned in a lecture at this past June in Buffalo (which I've just transcribed, which is how I know) that he "rediscovered" his Judaism in 1984, although he started setting Hebrew in 1981 with Tehillim. I can't guarantee, of course, that Judaism preceded (or was coincident with) Zionism--I know nothing about Reich's Zionism or lack thereof--but it's an idea. I heard that he reached a point (before Tehillim I thought) where he didn't really know the direction that his life, let alone his music was going and he began training as a rabbi, and it was only work on Tehillim that really turned his life around and started him working on composition again. Did I dream that?
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'is this all we can do?' anonymous student of the University of Berkeley, California quoted in H. Draper, 'The new student revolt' (New York: Grove Press, 1965) http://www.myspace.com/itensemble
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« Reply #88 on: 22:53:33, 18-09-2007 » |
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I'm aware that I haven't really offered an opinion on this thread, initially wanting only to help out IRF with a few suggestions and observations - and to welcome his enthusiasm.
But, since most of us seem to be running out of steam, I'll just say, in passing and in personal conclusion,
Glass pre-Einstein: moderately stimulating from an aesthetic point of view. No chops, no real substance, too much faux-looping without the intricate and clear-headed dynamism of Reich (or Riley).
koyaanisqatsi: a one-off wonder, fortunately aligned to a consummate piece of film-making by Reggio.
Everything else, with the possible exception of Akhnaten: dreary, self-indulgent, lazy and dishonest noodling.
All IMO, of course, but Reich, Adams, possibly even Nyman (!) seem to me so, so much more worth one's attention, and Riley and Young too.
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« Reply #89 on: 23:03:06, 18-09-2007 » |
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Off topic, I know, but does anyone know the original source of the comment attributed to Schoenberg 'My music isn't modern, it's only badly played'? I've searched all over the place for the this, and asked various people who know plenty about Schoenberg, but still haven't found the original source - any help would be appreciated.
I wish I could but I cannot either remember or figure where I'd read about this years ago; by the same token, I've been years on and off trying to run to earth the one about plenty of fine music still to be written in C major (or whetever it really is/was) and I thought I nearly ran into it once but it has nevertheless proved - and remains - immensely and intransigently elusive (he should have made that E flat minor and then we'd have believed him more easily, methinks - although that's not quite the point, of course...) Best, Alistair
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