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Author Topic: Afternoon on Radio 3  (Read 1784 times)
trained-pianist
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« on: 21:55:59, 05-04-2007 »

By now I listened to a few times to afternoon performances on radio 3 to start to have some opinion about it. They discuss it on the other forum, but I wanted to ask people here how do people like it.

It is very strange long slot from 13  to 17 hour every day. The programmes consists of cut and paste performances from different recitals by different artists.
For example today 5 of April programme consisted of approximately half a recital by Dutch mezzo-soprano Christianne Stottijn. The other half was broadcast yesterday. This is much weaker programme then what they used to have at this time before (from Wigmore Hall).
I don't want to critisize performers. I thought that this singer was excellent, but the pasting job is appauling. I understand that I have to be greatful for this radio and I am. I am trying to adopt. While living in America (forgive me Kitty) I got used to commercials on TV and used them to go to fetch something from the fridge or do something. Unfortunate consiquences of that were: I lost ability to concentrate for long. When we came back to Europe I found I needed commercials and was tired to watch BBC with no commercials.

There are snippets of other performances Psophos String Quartet or different BBC artist). Thankfully they are playing pieces in full and in this way it is not snippets of different pieces. But it is nevertheless is dambing down.

I only catch on now with what people meant when they talked about death of live performance.
I am slow to catch up again.

Did anybody hear the mezzo Stottjin? What about Ibragimova?
I thought she and the quartet (April 3rd) were really good.

Do people turn away from radio 3 or are you still listening?

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Martin
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« Reply #1 on: 23:19:31, 08-04-2007 »

It's a funny thing, t-p, and I may well be in the miniority, but I don't have a problem with the new style Afternoon Performance. When I listen in at that time of day (when I can), I listen particularly for repertoire that I don't know - like the cycles of British symphonies, for example - so I don't feel the need for a complete live performence in the manner of a concert. In the evening, I do prefer a cocert as such rather than a hotchpotch of items from several sources, because at that time of day I prefer the 'event' of a concert or live (really live) performance.

I was never a huge devotee of Stage and Screen, Brian Kay's Light Programme or Jazz Legends, so the longer Afternoon Performance suits me well.

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trained-pianist
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« Reply #2 on: 23:30:18, 08-04-2007 »

May be you are right, Martin. May be it is a question of getting used to. I used to listen to Wigmore Hall concerts at that time. I like lunch time recitals. In this format you can listen to selected live recorded items. I think there are many ways to look at that. It is not all completely bad. I am fully prepared to get used to it.
My question is: Why do they put various live performances together?
May be it is minor criticism. I am not so spoil to not get used to it.
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« Reply #3 on: 23:44:15, 08-04-2007 »

Of course, we haven't lost the Lunchtime Concert and because it has become part of Afternoon Performance it doesn't matter if it overruns a bit, which is also an improvement.

I agree though that splicing together items from several live concerts can make for a strange conglomeration, and disconcerting (interesting word in this context) if you want the concert event experience.
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« Reply #4 on: 12:18:37, 09-04-2007 »

I don't have any problem with the actual range of music we are getting but I think what I dislike about the new format and presentation is the implication that what is on offer is 'some classical music' if you see what I mean. It's a bit like those firms that sell leather bound books by the yard as part of an internal decorating service. If you want to have 'some classical music' on, here it is.

The fact that neither the Radio Times, nor the on-line schedules (unless I am missing something), tells you when particular pieces are going to be on just adds to that impression. I suppose if I really wanted to I could look up the performance lengths of all the works in the programme schedule, tot them up, add a bit for continuity and injury time, and deduce when what I want to hear might be on......

......but life is too short for all that when there are bloons to be shot at by monkeys.
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« Reply #5 on: 12:33:51, 09-04-2007 »

They are in business to increase their audience, not make our life easier. Can you imagine people tuning in for a particular piece they want to hear. It is capitalism all right. Everything now runs business principles.
Now I sound like I am against capitalism. I am against socialism. Who am I for. I am for monkey shooting at baloons.
I am very busy, you know.
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« Reply #6 on: 12:48:33, 09-04-2007 »

I agree with Martin.I think the new 'Afternoon on 3 'has been the most successful,and least controversial, of the new slots.

I hope the British Symphonies will continue.I want to hear Arnold Cooke's five. It must be nearly thirty years since one of them was broadcast and I think the superb Fourth  (premiered at the Proms around 1976) has never been aired since.
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Martin
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« Reply #7 on: 15:06:59, 09-04-2007 »

The fact that neither the Radio Times, nor the on-line schedules (unless I am missing something), tells you when particular pieces are going to be on just adds to that impression.

It would be nice to have timings; we do get them for other programmes and I would have thought that you are more likely to get listeners tuning in if they can pinpoint just when a piece will start. Once you've got them interested they may well stay or return. It's all too easy to lose potential listeners by not providing such information.
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« Reply #8 on: 00:19:57, 10-04-2007 »

Yes, timings would be helpful and yet it's interesting that timings are given for Through the Night. How many people out there think: "Oh, I must remember to tune in at 3.41am to hear that particular piece."
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« Reply #9 on: 09:23:36, 10-04-2007 »

Yes, timings would be helpful and yet it's interesting that timings are given for Through the Night. How many people out there think: "Oh, I must remember to tune in at 3.41am to hear that particular piece."

Tony,

That information IS useful if you use Listen Again for an interesting work

John W
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« Reply #10 on: 11:22:40, 10-04-2007 »

I did send an elegantly worded bit of 'feedback' about the lack of timings to the contact address on the 'Afternoon on 3' Home Page with a view to posting their response here but have just had it bounced back with a 'Not deliverable' message Sad. I suppose I could try snail, or possibly slug, mail.
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« Reply #11 on: 23:39:39, 10-04-2007 »

Having spent a fair bit of time over the last week driving around at this time, I would agree with the posters who say that the disconcerting thing is the ordering of items rather than the items themselves. I really would prefer to hear an orchestral concert programme that was conceived as a programme, rather than having it split up either over the course of an afternoon or over a week. But this isn't new - the BBC Orchestras series did exactly the same. It was rare to get a bit of chamber music sliding in between overture and concerto though, and that is what I dislike.

Timings really would be helpful. The slab of undigested information in the RT is no help for a listener who wants to pick and choose.

Anyone remember the live Midday Prom from the 70s? Started at 12.15, and the RT would helpfully tell you that the concerto would start at 12.27* - the * signifying "approximate time"... Ahhh, those were the days... (I was still in short pants then...)
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« Reply #12 on: 17:35:39, 26-04-2007 »

I did send an elegantly worded bit of 'feedback' about the lack of timings to the contact address on the 'Afternoon on 3' Home Page with a view to posting their response here but have just had it bounced back with a 'Not deliverable' message Sad. I suppose I could try snail, or possibly slug, mail.

I did go for snail mail in the end and have now had this response:

"I was delighted to read of your interest in the programme however understand you feel an indication should be made in guides to let listeners know when specific items during the programme should be broadcast.

Nevertheless, please be assured I have registered your comments regarding this issue and have made them available to the 'Afternoon on 3' production team, scheduling team and the senior BBC management. Feedback of this nature helps us when making decisions about future BBC programmes and your comment will play a part in this process."



 
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« Reply #13 on: 19:00:19, 26-04-2007 »

George,

Bears are Catholic, and the Pope s**ts in the woods.

Tommo
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« Reply #14 on: 19:39:30, 26-04-2007 »

Au contraire, Tommo, I feel an empowered, cared for and interacted with listener Cheesy.

And apparently it's not allowed, even by the Pope

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