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Author Topic: The Graupner bug  (Read 1864 times)
George Garnett
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« Reply #45 on: 16:02:00, 23-07-2007 »

Bass viola d'amore (now extinct but known from incomplete fossil records).
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« Reply #46 on: 16:09:20, 23-07-2007 »

Four timpani?  Grin

You're laughing but you're right.

If you turn to page 103 of Colin Lawson's indispensable The Chalumeau in Eighteenth-Century Music you'll find that score excerpt. Lawson is writing about instruments serving as bass to the chalumeau group and he's just mentioned the bassoon. He then writes: "An unusual example from the aria 'Steigt, ihr Quellen alles Guten'... shows timpani assuming this role in support of three chalumeaux."

I read that and thought: timpani? Shurely shome mistake? A little later I saw the entry for GWV 452 in the Graupner-Werke-Verzeichnis: an overture for 2 horns, timpani, 2 chalumeaus, strings and bassoon. The entry lists the timpani tuning: F, G, A, c. Obviously the cantata isn't the only time he used them.
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« Reply #47 on: 16:12:04, 23-07-2007 »


yip!

Actually, it reminded me of the xmas oratorio's "Jauchzet, frohlocket" -- plus the position in score gave it away.
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« Reply #48 on: 16:21:26, 23-07-2007 »

Bass viola d'amore (now extinct but known from incomplete fossil records).
George, you're doubtless writing that because you know that no examples of the bass chalumeau (the instrument on the far right in the row of 4 a little up the thread) have survived from the time. No one knows whether the instrument looked like that (which I'm told is a little problematic to build) or if it was some other design, like the instrument on the left but smaller (as Rudolf Tutz makes them, for example). The only reason we know it existed is an encyclopedia entry and the music...
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« Reply #49 on: 16:28:19, 23-07-2007 »

Four timpani?  Grin

You're laughing but you're right.


Crap.  That was my guess too, and now nobody will ever believe me.  Angry
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« Reply #50 on: 16:39:03, 23-07-2007 »

Well, yes, ahem, obviously that was the main point of my little quip, Mr S. There was also a teasing reference intended to the extreme use of scordatura anent the viola d'amore among the Damstadt school of composers at the time and their habit of using unexplained clef transcriptions when notating for it. Both a hot potato and a banana skin in contemporary Graupner scholarship I believe.
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« Reply #51 on: 23:27:10, 23-07-2007 »

There's a Graupner concerto on this intriguing disc:
http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.557610

Btw, my Graupner chalumeau disc arrived from France last week and I can report it's an absolute delight. I also got the disc of chalumeau concertos 'Le baroque chalumeau' on the same label (Pierre Varany) and think they will both become favourite discs. The Graupner concerto on the latter is for tenor and bass chalumeaux, which make a gorgeous sound. Thanks for the recommendations, Ollie!  Cheesy
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« Reply #52 on: 00:27:45, 24-07-2007 »

There's a Graupner concerto on this intriguing disc:

That seems to be the Symphony for 2 horns, timpani, strings and continuo GWV 566.

There are six timpani. F, G, A, Bb, c and d. Some of the other things on the disc have up to 8 timps of course. I think I might have to investigate.



OH MY GOD you must hear what the compression at the Naxos site does with the timpani cadenzas (e.g. in the very last track on the disc)...

Yes, I think the weirdness of that fully justifies the admission price...  Huh Cool Wink
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« Reply #53 on: 20:10:11, 31-07-2007 »

Wow.

I spent today leafing through sheets of 270-year-old paper. In other words I spent the day at  the ULB Darmstadt going through selected cantatas from their Graupner archive so just a quick post for anyone who may be interested.

Since there's not much point looking through 1418 church cantatas at random I'm basically looking at the ones with chalumeau(s) in them (of which there are a bit over 80). Mainly for the purpose of trying to get a handle on his chalumeau writing in those pieces, which is quite different from how he writes for them in the concertos and overtures we know and love (well, not all of us obviously Wink) - in particular there are quite a few which use a chalumeau written in treble clef whose range isn't easy to explain in terms of the known sizes of instrument. Managed to get through about 25 today jotting down the scoring of the various movements and the ranges of any chalumeau parts as well as anything in the treble clef parts which would seem to mark out a part as unsuitable for one of the possible instruments - trills which would be between registers for the alto, for example. That cantata with the timpani part I posted before has plenty of other amusing things in it, such as a rather fine bassoon obbligato also in that movement.

Tell you what though - Deutsche Kurrentschrift is going to make my life a complete misery for a bit.

I have also now obtained for a nominal fee 2 CD-ROMs with pdf copies of the manuscripts for all the Graupner non-vocal chalumeau pieces and for all the Telemann chalumeau pieces held at the ULB (which include the reasonably well known double concerto). For that a big SHOUT-OUT to tha ULB CREW in particular DR SYLVIA UHLEMANN whose work should stand as exemplary to custodial LIBRARIANS the world over. Props.
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