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« Reply #105 on: 09:09:31, 23-07-2008 »
Glad you found that CD at last, Jonathan: I looked out for it for ages, but gradually forgot to check for it - it obviously doesn't turn up all that often.
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« Reply #106 on: 10:10:50, 23-07-2008 »
Quote from: Turfan Fragment on 23:11:40, 22-07-2008
When rhetoric becomes too highly refined, one has reached a stage of musical decadence after which revolution is in order.

If "rhetoric" means "the body of rules to be observed by a speaker, writer, or composer in order that he may express himself with eloquence" we do not quite see how it can ever become "too highly refined." That would be a contradiction in terms would not it? - something rather like "a virtuous tyrant."
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« Reply #107 on: 11:29:35, 23-07-2008 »
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If "rhetoric" means "the body of rules to be observed by a speaker, writer, or composer in order that he may express himself with eloquence" we do not quite see how it can ever become "too highly refined." That would be a contradiction in terms would not it? - something rather like "a virtuous tyrant."
Quote from: Turfan Fragment on 23:11:40, 22-07-2008
When rhetoric becomes too highly refined, one has reached a stage of musical decadence after which revolution is in order.
"rhetoric" to me means "the body of rules to be observed by a speaker, writer, or composer in order that he may more accurately comport himself to the current notion of eloquence" -- meaning that the adornment of the language with rhetorical 'flourishes' becomes so elaborate that the speaker, writer, or composer can make an eloquent statement without saying anything at all about the state of musical material.

Ugh, the Teutonic Modernist rears his sluglike head again.
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« Reply #108 on: 11:47:04, 23-07-2008 »
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When rhetoric becomes too highly refined, one has reached a stage of musical decadence after which revolution is in order.
"rhetoric" to me means "the body of rules to be observed by a speaker, writer, or composer in order that he may more accurately comport himself to the current notion of eloquence" -- meaning that the adornment of the language with rhetorical 'flourishes' becomes so elaborate that the speaker, writer, or composer can make an eloquent statement without saying anything at all about the state of musical material.

Ugh, the Teutonic Modernist rears his sluglike head again.



Could be worse - you could be a Teutonic anti-modernist - though you might then have to take up residence here:
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« Reply #109 on: 21:47:37, 25-07-2008 »
I happend to know Chopin's trio. A cellist here found the score in some second hand music shop in Scotland. I am told there are good second hand music shops in Scotland.
I don't think it was very modern.  Grin It was so curious to see Chopin is writing a trio. In a different world Chopin could be composer who writes many symphonies. (Or may be Ballades for an orchestra).
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« Reply #110 on: 11:51:01, 21-10-2008 »
I heard a version of Totentanz arranged for violin and orchestra on Sunday. It's (apparently) faithful to the original orchestration but because the violin doesn't have a "left hand", the left hand of the piano is transcribed for basses and trombones. It's a monstrously heavy sound. Seriously, I felt like I was at a rock concert  Shocked

Liszt purists may hate it, but I was very impressed.

I have the recording but I haven't had chance to listen it it yet. Not sure if my speakers are up to recreating the live sound effectively...
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« Reply #111 on: 12:53:02, 21-10-2008 »
Ho IRF,
I've not heard it but it sounds intriguing!  Shame I can't stream it via Amazon since they redesigned their website. 
On a similar note, there is a trully dreadful orchestration of the Dante Sonata for violin and Orchestra - it was at the Proms a few years ago and it was diabolically bad.  I turned it off half way through and was most annoyed as it ws the only piece by Liszt at the Proms that year...

(Edit:  Just heard 30 seconds worth of it on iTunes - sounds rather good.  I shall add it to my wishlist and see what happens - thanks IRF!)
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« Reply #112 on: 09:37:27, 24-10-2008 »
Quick update - just found this: http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_November08/93786.htm at MDT.  A great introduction to Liszt for those that want to make a start on getting to know his works!  It's just a shame i've already got about half of it on other recordings.
Also, this http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//CHAN10490.htm is out too and if it is as good as the others, it should be well worth a listen.  I am just sorry that Chandos did not take my advice and record the complete orchestral works by Liszt.  I still await a decent recording of A la Chapelle Sixtine in the orchestral version.   Roll Eyes
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