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richard barrett
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« Reply #2550 on: 23:06:04, 31-03-2008 »

How is that recording, PW? The only one I know is the somewhat old Böhm one with Hilde Güden in the title role, which vocally is fantastic but orchestrally sometimes a bit sour and recordingwise shows its age. I wish I could remember who was performing in the concert version I saw (RFH I think, would have been early 1990s).

And how is that Cage CD, HH? I'm very fond of the Concerto but I don't think I've ever heard Sixty-Eight and I find Cage's "number" pieces a bit hit or miss - some of them bore me witless.
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« Reply #2551 on: 23:15:22, 31-03-2008 »

And how is that Cage CD, HH? I'm very fond of the Concerto but I don't think I've ever heard Sixty-Eight and I find Cage's "number" pieces a bit hit or miss - some of them bore me witless.

I really love that recording of the Concerto so it's the principal motivation for spinning the thing, but I also like Sixty Eight as long as I'm in the right mood. It's the sort of listen that will either bore you or infuriate you if the planets are not in the correct conjunction for you.
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« Reply #2552 on: 00:14:27, 01-04-2008 »

Eight Songs for a Mad King - Peter Maxwell Davies



It is great how quickly I felt at one with this piece of music. It feels immediately intimate to me, the world is there straight away.
 
It seems full of the distorting tides and energies of the subconscious/conscious and made me very much want to hug the protagonist. I think in the end I experienced it more as a kind of spoken soliloquy expressed musically, even though I listened to it the first time without the poems in front of me and could not make out a lot of the words.

I really liked Julius Eastman's (baritone) performance. I imagine the interpretation of such a piece can vary greatly from one singer to another.

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« Reply #2553 on: 00:33:09, 01-04-2008 »

I really liked Julius Eastman's (baritone) performance. I imagine the interpretation of such a piece can vary greatly from one singer to another.
To some extent, but Max has actually gone to a staggering amount of trouble to attempt to control the amount of variation. I was completely unaware of the extent of this idiot-proofing until he sat in on a rehearsal of a frankly execrable performance into which an undergrad roped me to play clarinet (I'd played it before). At the end of the rehearsal Max gave up trying to help the vocalist (but in a very gracious way) and simply said 'it's a piece that just works'. I've performed in two versions (one more accurate than the other), seen three (two professional) versions and heard the Julius Eastman recording, and I don't really think that a change in vocalist changes the piece all that much.

Just spun Walter Zimmermann's Zehn fränkische Tänze courtesy of one Turfan Fragment. It makes me want to look at the score. (That means that I enjoyed it by the way, just fascinated by some of the timbres).
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« Reply #2554 on: 00:43:11, 01-04-2008 »

Just spun Walter Zimmermann's Zehn fränkische Tänze courtesy of one Turfan Fragment. It makes me want to look at the score. (That means that I enjoyed it by the way, just fascinated by some of the timbres).
It's just hockets in natural harmonics as I remember. (BTW if anyone fancies making a nice transcription of my LPs they are welcome to have them!)
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« Reply #2555 on: 00:53:37, 01-04-2008 »

Thanks, hh, that's very interesting. I suppose I felt that the vocalising seemed so particular in the way it bared the soul of the music and (I imagine) so hard to annotate, that it would really vary a lot with a change of interpreter.


Just spun Walter Zimmermann's Zehn fränkische Tänze courtesy of one Turfan Fragment.

Me too. I find them enchanting. Thanks, Turfan Fragment.
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« Reply #2556 on: 00:54:56, 01-04-2008 »

And thanks from me, Fraggers.
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« Reply #2557 on: 01:11:39, 01-04-2008 »

It's just hockets in natural harmonics as I remember.
I thought it might be. I was more interested in the drones. Are they just natural harmonics as well or is there some scordatura involved? Wonderful combinations whichever way it's played.
But I'm going to bed now.
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« Reply #2558 on: 01:20:43, 01-04-2008 »

The Zehn fränkische Tänze are lovely, but how come you all suddenly have them from Turfers? Huh How peculiar.

Daniel, did you listen to Miss Donnithorne's Maggot on that disc too? I haven't done, for a long time, but I remember thinking that was a striking and underrated piece.
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« Reply #2559 on: 01:23:05, 01-04-2008 »

I'm very pleased some members are interested to know more about Walter Zimmermann's music. As well as the discs Richard mentions, there is also a disc on Wergo of his stage works Singbarer Rest and Die Blinden (this Maeterlinck text has also been set by Beat Furrer). As mentioned, I have recorded his piano works (up to 1998); I feel Wüstenwanderung is the finest of these. It has also been recorded by Daniel Seel (on a recital disc on Hat Art) and Hermann Kretzchmar (on one of the Mode discs), and has been taken up by other pianists including Philip Thomas and Heather O'Donnell. His longest piano work Beginner's Mind is on my discs, and also on an old LP by Herbert Henck - an excellent performance (pianistically, at least - without making any claims for my own singing (quite out of tune), I think the intonation there holds its own against Henck's Wink ) well worth getting. Recently his music has become more eclectic; I'm not sure quite where this is leading, but the results remain interesting.

Walter's other string quartet, Festina Lente, is recorded on the Arditti's 'For Germany' disc (which also contains Mathias Spahlinger's fantastic quartet Apo do). This work is known colloquially amngst the quartet as 'The Rack', because of the agonising unisons they have to maintain for long stretches of time.
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« Reply #2560 on: 02:12:48, 01-04-2008 »

The Zehn fränkische Tänze are lovely, but how come you all suddenly have them from Turfers? Huh How peculiar.
I jackposted them on the 2-60 sec rep discussion thread per SendSpace. That's where they were purloined by above members.
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« Reply #2561 on: 02:19:13, 01-04-2008 »

The Zehn fränkische Tänze are lovely, but how come you all suddenly have them from Turfers? Huh How peculiar.
I jackposted them on the 2-60 sec rep discussion thread per SendSpace. That's where they were purloined by above members.
Ah. Ich sehe.

I haven't looked at that thread for two or three weeks now - basically since my 3 excerpts were solved, and I realised I'd mislaid the CD on which I'd burned the next six or seven ready for uploading. Cry
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« Reply #2562 on: 06:05:41, 01-04-2008 »

I really liked Julius Eastman's (baritone) performance. I imagine the interpretation of such a piece can vary greatly from one singer to another.
I've performed in two versions (one more accurate than the other), seen three (two professional) versions and heard the Julius Eastman recording, and I don't really think that a change in vocalist changes the piece all that much.
I've only heard the Eastman recording (of Maxwell Davies' Eight Songs for a Mad King that is), performed in one version and seen another; in neither of the live ones I've experienced could the singer get any higher than the middle of the treble stave (none of them could do the inhaled altissimo stuff) but it's probably more important to have a certain kind of dramatic presence than to nail all the details. It wasn't written for Eastman anyway but for Roy Hart and I do still cling to the forlorn hope that a recording of him doing it might surface some day.

Anyone else here seen the published piano reduction? It's quite remarkable. Includes for example a realisation of the things which happen when the ensemble is playing slow repeated notes in different tempi. Saw it by chance in a music shop a few days ago and was completely bemused that someone had brought such a thing into the world.
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« Reply #2563 on: 08:58:41, 01-04-2008 »

It wasn't written for Eastman anyway but for Roy Hart and I do still cling to the forlorn hope that a recording of him doing it might surface some day.

Well. lookee here:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.roy-hart.com/picture/songs1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.roy-hart.com/songs.htm&h=368&w=362&sz=81&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=XnRicGYxzrOVhM:&tbnh=122&tbnw=120&prev=/images%3Fq%3Deight%2Bsongs%2Bfor%2Ba%2Bmad%2Bking%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff

Also includes the most famous page of the MS...
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« Reply #2564 on: 09:02:34, 01-04-2008 »

Oh my goodness gracious me.

I had the Soul Portrait on cassette for ages. Weird shrieks with a clock ticking in the background.

Martle, my gratitude is unstinting. On the other hand should this be an elaborate April Fool prank my vengeance will be horrible in equal measure. Wink
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