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« Reply #2820 on: 22:22:46, 09-05-2008 » |
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At moment playing Sinfonia Da Requiem from this mornings classical collection - not too sure about lots of Britten but really enjoyed this work when driving this morning and had to play it again
To BBM = Yes agree about Jochum and Bruckner 7 - Was unaware of this conductor until i checked out his performance on you tube- fascinating to see his conducting technique - rather slow in parts but totally heartfelt perfomance imo
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« Reply #2821 on: 22:33:19, 09-05-2008 » |
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A version of the Sinfonia da Requiem I'd not heard before (LPO/Slatkin) but I heard some in the car this morning and was recording it whilst I was out. Caught up with it properly on my return: very impressed. The FM sounded particularly fine too, with far less compression than is usual at the bass end - the timps and bass drum had a real thwack - Bryn - anybody - have you noticed a change in the optimod settings over the past week or so?
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« Reply #2822 on: 15:06:37, 10-05-2008 » |
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Now Playing:
Torstein Aargard Neilsen: Aubabde - Dawn Songs of the Fabulous Birds(Yorkshire Building Society Band/David King.
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« Reply #2823 on: 16:22:13, 10-05-2008 » |
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bbm,
You reminded me (and someone else did a few days ago) of a 'sampler' CD (Ondine ODE 608-2) I was given some time ago of music by Rautavaara, so I dug it out just now to hear the 'concerto for birds'
Cantus Arcticus I. The Bog
as I say it's just a sampler with the first movement. I read that there are two other movements to this work including one featuring whooper swans, I just gotta hear that so a library visit planned Monday.
A few other works sampled on the CD include movements from cello concerto, violin concerto, piano concerto, Symphony No 3, Unknown Heavens and a piece Isle of Bliss. I might get into some of these if they are at the library. There is a unique beauty to his music, well maybe it's not unique since my 20thC music listening is limited, but he's more pleasing to my brain than say Philip Glass.
John W
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« Reply #2824 on: 02:22:21, 11-05-2008 » |
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 These are incredibly complex, beyond-beautiful things rattling round, so it seems in the jar of my own mind, rather than something I am listening to on a cd. For me they are things of the inner world and expressions of awe at it (almost as if they don't exist in the outer one). And they are (if one looks at them that way) testaments to the complexity, and extraordinary joy and ambiguities of Messiaen's faith, I think. There is barbed wire in there, cutting into the flesh, but the music seems to say that the intellectual/emotional pain felt, if held long enough under the light of 'truth', can become ecstasy. If that sounds a bit hmm, it's just the sound of somebody trying to describe something that knocks him out every time he listens to it - perhaps I should just say that I love this music and think this is a wonderful performance of it. |
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« Reply #2825 on: 09:09:06, 11-05-2008 » |
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Yes John W, the Concerto you mentioned, I have heard on R3's CD Review. Very good music as well. I will have to explore this composer at sometime.
O Daniel, you got my brain cells working overtime!! I borrowed, I think, it was john Ogdon, playing these pieces of messaien. Very wonderful music. Beyond all things. Great music.
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« Reply #2826 on: 10:02:47, 11-05-2008 » |
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bbm,
You reminded me (and someone else did a few days ago) of a 'sampler' CD (Ondine ODE 608-2) I was given some time ago of music by Rautavaara, so I dug it out just now to hear the 'concerto for birds'
Cantus Arcticus I. The Bog
as I say it's just a sampler with the first movement. I read that there are two other movements to this work including one featuring whooper swans, I just gotta hear that so a library visit planned Monday.
John W
John, You might want to visit ( revisit ? ) this thread. http://r3ok.myforum365.com/index.php?topic=1312.0 |
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« Reply #2827 on: 13:56:19, 11-05-2008 » |
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Thanks Bobbyz. I'll try and get into Coventry tomorrow, see what their library has on the shelves.
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« Reply #2828 on: 15:42:31, 11-05-2008 » |
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I love Vingt Regards and thanks to Daniel for the recommendation; I'm always looking for new interpretations and will seek out the Naxos version. The one I always go back to is Michel Béroff, but mostly because that's the one I own (I usually don't buy more than one interpretation of pieces due to budget constraints)
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« Reply #2829 on: 16:00:13, 11-05-2008 » |
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I love Vingt Regards and thanks to Daniel for the recommendation; I'm always looking for new interpretations and will seek out the Naxos version. The one I always go back to is Michel Béroff, but mostly because that's the one I own (I usually don't buy more than one interpretation of pieces due to budget constraints)
The Austbo is the one I have, too, and though I have also not heard too many other versions I think Austbo is excellent, as he is in the other discs of Messiaen piano music he has recorded for Naxos (including a marvelous complete Catalogue d'oiseaux). |
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« Reply #2830 on: 17:02:53, 11-05-2008 » |
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O Daniel, you got my brain cells working overtime!!
Oh dear I agree, bbm, I have re-read what I wrote and I expressed it very turgidly, I'm sorry you had to wade through it (not that you said anything rude!). All I was trying to say was that there seems to be four elements in particular in the music - pain, peace, ecstasy and awe - that seem to combine and give the music an extraordinary potency that really shivers my timbers. And I find the Austbo completely engaging, it seems to beautifully capture all those elements and the power and contradiction of their close proximity to eachother. I haven't heard the John Ogdon nor the Béroff, I've heard bits of the Aimard and Loriot versions. The Aimard I remember as sometimes being very fast, and to my ears losing something in the process, but I haven't heard the whole disc, so I would absolutely hold judgement before I had. |
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« Reply #2831 on: 17:51:47, 11-05-2008 » |
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It's good to hear praise for the Austbo Vingt Regards because I faintly recall its being dismissed by some R3 reviewers. It's an excellent account in its own right, regardless of other versions that may well be favourites of many.
Daniel, that is a superb verbalisation of a truly breathtaking musical composition, and one which most closely resembles my own response when listening.
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« Reply #2832 on: 18:19:27, 11-05-2008 » |
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To Daniel thanks for your vibrant review of this work of Messiaen - my knowledge of Messiaen is sketchy but your enthusiasm makes me want to buy this cd - tks  |
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« Reply #2833 on: 18:34:24, 11-05-2008 » |
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Well, when Sarah Walker did a Building a Library survey on December 2000, she had some positive things to say about the Austbo, but came down in favour of Loriod, with Troup as the mid-price recommendation. The Osborne had not then been recorded, and ISTR the Hill was out of the catalogue at the time. I too like the Austbo, but in a fire, the Osborne, Loriod and Hill would be the ones I chose to save first. Austbo, Aimard ('live' and studio), Beroff and Muraro (DVD) would be grabbed if conditions permitted, but the Zehn would just have to take its chances in the flames.  I don't have the Troup CDs. |
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« Reply #2834 on: 19:45:40, 11-05-2008 » |
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For Messiaen fans,
Radio 3
31 May
Building a Library - Messiaen La Nativité
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