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Ian Pace
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« Reply #285 on: 14:54:32, 06-04-2007 »

With Fauré in my mind, for those of you who might not know it, just wanted to post the first page of the Second Nocturne - if you have even moderate keyboard skills, do print it out and take it to a piano! This is some of the most gorgeous music I know from any time, feel extremely emotional whenever I listen to or play it. Note the way on the fourth system he briefly allows a modulation into the submediant, as if a window onto another world, before pulling it back, in a way that to me sounds both tragic and exquisite (both those qualities often go hand-in-hand in Fauré).

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« Reply #286 on: 15:05:21, 06-04-2007 »

well that's lovely, even played at my molto lento e lentissimo.
very bitter sweet.
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« Reply #287 on: 15:07:23, 06-04-2007 »

Just been doing comparative listening to my recordings of the 2nd Impromptu and 2nd Nocturne - Francois, Stott and Thyssens-Valentin. My preference (by a narrow margin) is for T-V - the Nocturne is beautifully phrased, and that first page really feels like a muiscal paragraph. There are a couple of pianistic blips here and there but not really too significant (at least, they didn't detract too much from my pleasure). Stott is polished and refined but a bit too highly perfumed for me; she plays these pieces like a pianist (a criticism I often make of pianists!) with some mistrustful gustiness. I like Francois's simplicity, just find it a bit notey in places - the roulades in the Impromptu and the transition at the end of the central section of the Nocturne - but I think the spirit is just right: no self-consciousness here.

Many thanks for reminding me of this wonderful music!

Re octave higher/lower signs in Ravel; there's one missing in the Durand 2-piano score of the G major Concerto 1st mt (top system, rh p 22 - surely this should be 8ve lower, as on the previous and next systems?)
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« Reply #288 on: 18:32:12, 06-04-2007 »

The Schoenberg disc from the Schoenberg Ensemble Box. What a treasure trove this is; I've been out for much of the day, and since I'm hardly listening to R3 at all, there's more time for CDs.  I'm working my way through this rather more quickly than I expected, with six discs spun since its arrival on Wednesday afternoon, and most of them already revisited...
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« Reply #289 on: 21:04:52, 06-04-2007 »

Maybe blame Durand?
I see you belong to the 'don't shoot the pianist' school of criticism. Wink

Indeed I'd love to be able to blame someone else because it's despite everything a really wonderful Gibet. But I don't see any way to blame Durand for him misreading the ostinato from one end of it to the other. Jut conceivably one could blame someone at Decca for the missing half a bar since the bar in question has the same four chords played twice.

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Ondine used to have that octave sign missing from the big glissando, didn't it? So there are recordings where a gliss which is supposed to go to the top of the keyboard suddenly drops down the octave...

Never heard anyone actually play that; surely no-one would have thought that was intentional?
I have indeed heard a recording by someone who must have thought exactly that!

Re octave higher/lower signs in Ravel; there's one missing in the Durand 2-piano score of the G major Concerto 1st mt (top system, rh p 22 - surely this should be 8ve lower, as on the previous and next systems?)
Where's that in terms of rehearsal figures? I only have the orchestral score.

Speaking of the score: there's a wonderful moment in the bar before figure 10 where there's a minim written for the woodblock. And in a context where you wouldn't write a minim unless you really wanted it to sustain - it's a crotchet rest then the minim then another crotchet rest. I've seen percussionists make a great show of doing a vibrato over the woodblock Wink - but surely it's meant to be one of the other percussion instruments? (Triangle or cymbal perhaps... but which?)
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« Reply #290 on: 21:10:41, 06-04-2007 »

Oliver (quote) - "Where's that in terms of rehearsal figures? I only have the orchestral score."

5 - 8 after Fig 29
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« Reply #291 on: 21:23:49, 06-04-2007 »

Oo, that's a funny one isn't it? Can't remember how I've heard it done.

There's no octave sign in the orchestral score either.
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« Reply #292 on: 11:51:23, 07-04-2007 »

This morning:

Dillon - Vernal Showers, Dench - Sulle Scale della Fenice, Cage - 30 pieces for string quartet, Clarke - La Violenza Della Idee, Helena Tulve - 13 Abysses.

On thur night went to see improv group SKIP at a pub south of the river - duo of piano (Veryan Weston) and gtr/violin/poetry reading (Hugh M) to a grainy 30 min film sequence. Fantastic stuff. They both so knew what they were doing, but it sounded like this could've been the v first time they played together..
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« Reply #293 on: 14:36:45, 07-04-2007 »

Can't say I share your enthusiasm for the musical improvisations of Hugh M ! But am glad you had a good time.
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« Reply #294 on: 14:41:28, 07-04-2007 »

Not really my cup of tea either, although he does put on a lot of pretty interesting concerts and events, and Veryan is certainly always worth hearing. Does anyone here know his solo piano piece Tessellations?

http://www.emanemdisc.com/E4095.html

That's very much worth hearing IMO.
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« Reply #295 on: 23:14:49, 07-04-2007 »

I'm v glad Hugh started the Klinker south of the river (going to Hackney is a bit of an effort these days), so I've been going there about once a month. Love it - the concerts have some 'awful' bands (in the spirit in which the night is organized, I suppose), or a Tibetan singer (on thur he had a singer doing both english and Iranian folk songs on piano), the odd improv group, then poetry readings and THEN you get his own groups - he seems to work with lots of people. Its an incredible mix, actually, chaotic and fascinating, going from great to terrible within 10 mins then back again, etc.

As an improvisor I think he's really good, but the sense of humour can be off-putting to some, and it would v hard to record ANY of it and get the flavour of what he does (though that can be the situation w/so much free improv) - there are a couple of cuts of an LP w/Bob Cobbing (the 'Birdyak' group that I sadly never got to see) that gets near it (kind of).

But yeah - Veryan Weston - I didn't think that lil' ol' pub piano would quite take his input, his playing had all these mutated ragtime tunes that he would take in and out as events unfolded - he has quite a voice. The only record of his I have is a duet w/Lol Coxhill ('Digswell Duets' on Emanem). I know of 'Tessellations', oughta get round to it.
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« Reply #296 on: 23:32:35, 07-04-2007 »

Oh I do like this D960 as played by Uchida. Worth the £15.99 for this alone, but there's another 7 CDs of such playing included.
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« Reply #297 on: 12:24:00, 08-04-2007 »

Oh I do like this D960 as played by Uchida. Worth the £15.99 for this alone, but there's another 7 CDs of such playing included.

Have I missed from where you sourced that purchase at such a price?
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« Reply #298 on: 12:29:39, 08-04-2007 »

And while we're on the subject, can anyone recommend this set of the complete Schubert sonatas?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Schubert-Complete-Piano-Sonatas-Franz/dp/B0007IK4Y2/ref=wl_itt_dp/026-2548375-5298058?ie=UTF8&coliid=IEFVMBHSZZZM0&colid=28HYTQB38RB8M
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« Reply #299 on: 13:00:11, 08-04-2007 »

yes i can - they are great.
but even better is the Schornscheim haydn box on the same page.
fan. tas. tic.
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