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Bryn
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« Reply #315 on: 00:32:29, 14-04-2007 »

Did you ever get round to the Zinman Strauss CDs, Bryn ?

Neither them, nor the Wit, as yet. Just not been tempted enough.
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« Reply #316 on: 00:34:32, 14-04-2007 »


For Stefan Wolpe by Morton Feldman

First time I've heard it and I liked it.

It can be heard here  http://artofthestates.org/cgi-bin/piece.pl?pid=104
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« Reply #317 on: 00:56:09, 14-04-2007 »

You really dont like Richard Strauss do you Nethersage ?

Windsor races start on Monday.

The Wit is good.
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« Reply #318 on: 20:43:40, 14-04-2007 »

Oliver, I too picked up the Rattle/BPO 6th a few weeks ago (after your recommendation), and agree it's very fine. Indeed, I much prefer it to both his CBSO reading (very tame in comparison) and R3 broadcast from a few years ago with combined VPO/BPO forces (though that had a number of things going for it).



Alison, nice to see you over here (then again, I'm wondering if you're another Alison, since you just said something nice about Rattle Wink ).
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« Reply #319 on: 20:51:41, 14-04-2007 »

Thanks Tam -

yes that Rattle 6 is a proper performance isnt it ?  Ive never heard the CBSO rendition and I also recall that underwhelming and rather self satisfied BPO/VPO broadcast.   

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« Reply #320 on: 21:00:57, 14-04-2007 »

If I were you I wouldn't pick up the CBSO, I expect you'll find it disappointing.

But, as you say, the Berlin reading is the real thing. Actually, I've been listening through all his Mahler over the last month or so (well, nearly all, I've got to 9) and this disc is in many ways the highlight, and once again makes me question why we don't have more properly live discs (rather than edited live). His CBSO first is also 'live', but they whole thing seems like everyone was half-asleep, so much so that I really question whether the 'live' badge on the CD case was a mistake.
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« Reply #321 on: 21:06:41, 14-04-2007 »

p.s. I picked up another Mahler disc recently (actually two others, I also thought I should try some of Tilson Thomas's SF recordings) - Tennstedt's live 1st. Someone from another forum had e-mailed me an old Gramophone interview with him in which he said the 1st was the recording from his cycle he wasn't really happy with, so when I came across this I couldn't help myself. Haven't quite got round to listening yet though.
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« Reply #322 on: 21:08:17, 14-04-2007 »

I've been revisiting some of the Gubaidulina pieces played during January - dipped my toe in earlier this week - and today listened to all of the string quartets, all of the Triptych Nadeyka, Introitus, and Offertorium. It has impressed me much more than at the time - particularly the quartets (especially no. 4) and the triptych, which comes across to me as very accomplished and with an engaging magisterial naivity (a bit like Messiaen). On listening to several pieces together, however, the same tropes and motifs appear again and again, which does detract a little from the experience. I may well listen to the rest of the pieces tomorrow. Deleting John Tusa's booming commentary has also helped.

I also found time for some of the Cecil Taylor Feel Trio's 2 T's for a Lovely T boxset - highly recommended - and I hope that their date with Anthony Braxton in July will prove rewarding.
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« Reply #323 on: 21:43:10, 14-04-2007 »

Just commenced a long slowing spin chez Sudden:



Hervé Niquet's joyous recording of the Waterworks Music. Brass are all not only valveless but without the tuning holes which are still all but universal. This means the orchestra has to play very small major thirds to fit with the harmonic series of the brass. The oboes are built strictly from a Stanesby model, without a double hole for the right hand first finger, which means the F# fingered thus is as low as the F# from the trumpets and horns. And having assembled the most historically accurate instruments they could, they make music with their possibilities rather than bending the instruments to fit their preconceptions. I know that sounds obvious but it happens a lot more rarely than one would like to think.

It also involves a lot of enjoyment of the 11th harmonic. Which is used by the brasses for both F and F#. The 13th harmonic is also an acquired taste. Try before you buy but I suspect open ears will love it.
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« Reply #324 on: 21:48:45, 14-04-2007 »

Richard Emsley's disc on Metier. A key and vital disc, the only problem is I go straight to playing 'The Juniper Tree' more often than not.
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« Reply #325 on: 22:31:03, 14-04-2007 »

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It also involves a lot of enjoyment of the 11th harmonic. Which is used by the brasses for both F and F#. The 13th harmonic is also an acquired taste. Try before you buy but I suspect open ears will love it.
Hmmm. Do you think there might be some chance that I might enjoy this disc?
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« Reply #326 on: 22:52:11, 14-04-2007 »

I do believe I might have said as much out there in the real world at some point, Richard... Smiley

But yes, you should at the very least hear it. Not going to be in Köln in the next couple of weeks are you?

I do often find myself thinking that the topic of temperament is something where period performance hasn't quite got its act together. I've mentioned a couple of exceptions repeatedly here and wouldn't want to bore people even more than I usually do but they look like this:



The left-hand one has music by Gesualdo and friends performed in just intonation which points up just how much we're still missing in vocal performance of these pieces; the right-hand one has pieces from the Fitzwilliam Virginal Book in scrumptious mean-tone temperament.

Period instrument performances often use modern compromise temperaments which have no real historical basis. They also very often have instruments which are differently laid out from the actual historical models - in the case of woodwinds, not only putting the holes in slightly different places but making ubiquitous the double holes found on a rather small percentage of historical instruments.

Oops, sorry, I've ended up on one of my hobby horses. Happens to the best of us. Time for me to set something else on its 500-200 rpm whirl. Maybe Telemann again, on one of those trumpets which is supposedly Baroque but has those little holes drilled in it to make the intonation acceptable to modern blah blah blah....

(moves to anorak wardrobe, disappears inside it)
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« Reply #327 on: 22:58:09, 14-04-2007 »

Anorak Narnia?
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« Reply #328 on: 23:02:09, 14-04-2007 »

Damn! I just trashed my considered reply by mistake, so here's an unconsidered one instead.
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I do believe I might have said as much out there in the real world at some point, Richard
You didn't mention all that juicy stuff about intonation and the instruments, though, I think.

I must second Oliver's recommendation of those two discs illustrated in his last post, which are at least as good as he says they are - and he didn't mention the John Bull In nomine on the right-hand one which is in 11/4 time throughout.
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« Reply #329 on: 23:18:03, 14-04-2007 »

In fact I don't think I even mentioned how good they are! Pescodd Time in particular is tremendous - Cuiller has the most extraordinary sense of timing and I've never heard this repertoire sound so alive. The instruments are not only a harpsichord but a gorgeously sweet-toned virginal with the jacks around the middle of the strings giving a sort of 'sul tasto' sound. It's also quite stunningly virtuosic at times - he drives the instruments to their speed limit (there's even a little evocative clattering).

I do wish he'd included the John Bull Ut re mi fa sol la though. The edition of the Fitzwilliam Book I've seen asserts that the enharmonic modulations in it prove that Bull must have had something like equal temperament in mind. I'd be more inclined to speculate that what Bull had in mind was taking the listener on a harmonic trip through a hedge backwards and then forwards again. Maybe Cuiller will give us that another time.

Oo, just remembered another one:



A bit less come-out-and-grab-you than the others but further evidence for the suggestion that temperament does more to shape music than we sometimes give it credit for.

Hm. These anoraks aren't all that summery are they?
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