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richard barrett
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« Reply #2880 on: 23:22:03, 19-05-2008 »

I think I might have to get that Roy Hart recording too. I was listening to the Julius Eastman one the other day and found the piece had somehow transformed itself into a "meh" kind of experience. I do have Roy Hart in Henze's Essay on Pigs which does a lot of the same things that Max's piece does, ie. that subset of Roy Hart techniques that you can more or less write in notation.

And as for Miss Donnithorne's Maggot that seems to me one chamber-theatre-piece too many.

Now it's time to find something for bedtime spinning because I need an early night. I could however be up half the night trying to think of something in my current state of indecision. I feel that Wagner may be calling to me though.

Goodnight all.
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« Reply #2881 on: 23:28:22, 19-05-2008 »

Is it possible, after alternative comedy and various forms of parodistic, ironic, comedy, to take Eight Songs for a Mad King on face value any longer?
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« Reply #2882 on: 00:11:03, 20-05-2008 »

I reckon it is, because comedy can readily have a subtle undertow of the sinister and the unsettling just below the surface-I'd argue (as an occasional hack) that it should if its doing its job, dealing with it, healing it, holding it up fleetingly to the light. This is in the material rather than the delivery, but there is the inalienable fact that comedy is born of pain and dislocation, whether of a milieu or a nation ...or an individual .If you read for example Roger Lewis' long, long book on Peter Sellers you may find there's something of the Mad King archetype in how he paced the battlements of the burgeoning modern media.
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« Reply #2883 on: 08:48:04, 20-05-2008 »

Is it possible, after alternative comedy and various forms of parodistic, ironic, comedy, to take Eight Songs for a Mad King on face value any longer?
I suppose that depends on what you think its 'face value' is.
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« Reply #2884 on: 18:04:19, 20-05-2008 »

At long last the Everest recording of RVW's Job is in my possession on CD, a long awaited moment. Just released, and the blasted thing's faulty: there's a two second gap in the middle of a climactic musical where the first track leads into the second, an elementary programming error, which many here who burn discs using recording software will recognise. How nobody spotted it I can't imagine: it's very obvious if you play the disc through from start to end. Fortunately it's something I can do a temporary fix on, but even so....

And between 7 and 8 as well.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr
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« Reply #2885 on: 07:43:37, 22-05-2008 »

Bad luck Ron! I'm intending to buy the Elgar and VW box sets from EMI, when I get back to work, even though be duplicating, I am sure there are people out there who would gladly have them.

Now spinning: Rachmaninov/Corelli Variations/Etudes Tableaux, Op.39(Vladimir Ashkenazy).
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« Reply #2886 on: 14:07:39, 22-05-2008 »

Just to return to Jolivet: the French EMI box at Berkshire Record Outlet now appears to have sold out - though there is one winging Doughwards, and when I last looked, it was also still available via Amazon. The Warner/Erato box has just arrived, and will have a wee spin later: the Concerto pour ondes Martenot et orchestre and the Heptade pour trompette et percussion appear particularly inviting.
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« Reply #2887 on: 14:34:13, 22-05-2008 »

Just to return to Jolivet: the French EMI box at Berkshire Record Outlet now appears to have sold out - though there is one winging Doughwards, and when I last looked, it was also still available via Amazon. The Warner/Erato box has just arrived, and will have a wee spin later: the Concerto pour ondes Martenot et orchestre and the Heptade pour trompette et percussion appear particularly inviting.

I got that Erato box when it was on offer, along with an Ohana set, a couple of years ago. I still haven't got round to listening to either of the pieces you mention, Ron. Perhaps I will do so this afternoon.
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« Reply #2888 on: 16:55:21, 22-05-2008 »

 In the end, I decided to play the whole disc, Bryn: both trumpet concerti as well as the ondes: a disconcerting jump in sonic terms as well as musical. The trumpet works are recorded up (very) close, the ondes concerto decidedly more distantly (at the far end of a large hangar, maybe*). It sounds a wee bit like Roussel meets early Messiaen and Koechlin on a movie sound-stage at first audition, whereas the trumpet pair are perhaps more Milhaud goes American - the second perhaps even on a journey to meet Miles. It's all very engaging though, with a Gallic briskness and insouciance never far away, except in the ondes's valedictory final movement.

Back to in-yer-face recording for Heptade. Trumpet and one percussionist: virtuoso requirements throughout from both (including microtones for the trumpet - here, as in the concerti, the flawless Maurice André.) Jeanne Loriod is the Marteniste: where there is a conductor, it's the composer.

Go on, Bryn, dig the box out and give disc 2 a spin: I think you'll have a rather enjoyable time.   

* The book confirms it was recorded in a church; much of the rest was taped at the studios of ORTF.
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« Reply #2889 on: 17:39:57, 22-05-2008 »



Go on, Bryn, dig the box out and give disc 2 a spin: I think you'll have a rather enjoyable time.   


I already did, Ron, earlier this afternoon. Yes, well, I did find the ondes concerto to be a bit, let's not beat about the bush, tacky.  I thought Heptade a considerably better work. I don't think I will be rushing to play any more from the box just yet. Wink
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« Reply #2890 on: 17:51:14, 22-05-2008 »

I was tempted by the harp concerto, too: a cooler work, not helped by being recorded in that church again. (In 1966, apparently, but sounds as if it were at least a decade earlier).

 I'll return to the box in the next couple of days. It looks as if only the only duplication in the EMI set is the earlier trumpet concerto, incidentally.
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« Reply #2891 on: 01:36:33, 23-05-2008 »

This, just arrived from La Chaumière via Amazon marketplace, and some very impressive and often breathtaking playing it contains too:

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« Reply #2892 on: 07:27:57, 23-05-2008 »

What was the Trumpet Concerto of Jolivet like then Ron D? Worth investigating?

Rach's Paganini Rhap, in  that classic Decca recording with Ashkenazy/LSO/Previn. The trumpet playing is first class on this recording, as always. I believe was it the partnership of Willie Lang, Howard Snell and Maurice Murphy??
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« Reply #2893 on: 07:32:14, 23-05-2008 »



...the Castello disc therefrom. Quite shameless cornetto duelling. Not that they have anything to be ashamed about, you understand. All the same, some of their ornamented final cadences do invite something approaching disbelief.
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« Reply #2894 on: 17:38:13, 24-05-2008 »

NS, Totus Tuus Sum, Maria.  In Honour of Our Lady.  The choir of the London Oratory.  Courtesy of The Catholic Herald of course.

Am I playing this because I am putting a joint of lamb in the oven?  Agnes Dei?  Anyone?

Yours, resignedly,

Dismally Failed Catholic of Llandrindod Wells.

That actually reminds me of Frank Zappa's "The rejected Mexican Pope leaves the stage"  I think I may have a Zappa evening, well, anything would be better than Eurovision wouldn't it?

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Reality, sa molesworth 2, is so sordid it makes me shudder
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