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« Reply #15 on: 10:41:18, 15-05-2008 » |
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Thanks Tommy - I've signed.
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« Reply #16 on: 11:23:20, 15-05-2008 » |
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A [bump] for this.
There are plenty of names from the board that I recognise, but even allowing for the anonymous entries it seems to me that there are several members who recorded their displeasure on the thread here, but who have yet to sign up. I haven't signed Ron - not because I don't support the petition, but because I didn't, and couldn't for geographical reasons, personally see the programs concerned. Nor is the online material visible here - as with a lot of BBC multimedia material online, viewing is restricted to IP addresses in the UK only. So although I don't like the sound of what I hear from others, I can't be said to have an opinion of my own on this one. |
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« Reply #17 on: 12:59:26, 15-05-2008 » |
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Duly signed.
Ian.
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« Reply #18 on: 14:49:49, 15-05-2008 » |
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« Reply #19 on: 15:07:48, 15-05-2008 » |
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I'm on the list too!
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« Reply #20 on: 16:49:09, 15-05-2008 » |
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Good luck, everybody. I didn't see the proggy, although it seems to sum up in a particularly tacky form something that has gone badly wrong.
In particular I mean this awful stress on how people have to be normal to be interesting. I was never normal. I am not happy with something that would have completely excluded me when that age. I can accept I have nothing like these young person's (not kids) musical talent. But I have to be on Facebook, like football etc to qualify as a human being.
I also have a suspicion about online petitions, as anyone can sign up. I had experience of one in a completely different sphere, and lots of people were signing up whose support meant very little.
Since I did not see the programme, I do not feel it fair to sign up.
But for goodness's sake, don't let me put anyone off.
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A time to weep, and a time to laugh: a time to mourn, and a time to dance
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« Reply #21 on: 18:23:16, 15-05-2008 » |
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I've done it and forwarded it on to all my musical friends. There did appear a page afterwards asking for donations, but it isn't compulsory. Just come out of it. I didn't donate. I unticked the box about contacting me about further petitions.
I hope many many people add their names. I put my real name on, not my message board name.
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We pass this way but once. This is not a rehearsal!
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« Reply #22 on: 19:28:04, 15-05-2008 » |
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Just a thought here, from a purely personal point of view.
Naturally I understand members' decisions not to sign if they've not seen the programmes for themselves.
However, I do wonder how many other petitions or protests they may have become involved in without ever seeing the cause at first hand - poverty in Africa, war in the Middle East, cruelty to animals, whatever. There is plenty of documentary evidence here and in other places from people we all know we can trust: not having seen the fiasco at first hand doesn't mean that one is necessarily unaware of it, nor that has no right to disapprove. Nor is it by any stretch of the imagination the only example of the BBC's attitude to the erosion of production values when it comes to the presentation of serious music. We've seen it on Classical Star, it's a perennial niggle with televised Proms, and we're all aware of how it's affected R3, particularly over the past eighteen months or so. It seems to me that this is as valid concerning the general issues with the BBC as with this one particular programme, and that it is a chance to show just how many people believe that serious music deserves serious treatment. It's quite obvious that the BBC is starting to believe that cultural programming is of minority appeal and can therefore be treated indifferently: isn't it time to show them that it's a rather larger and more involved and caring minority than they think?
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« Reply #23 on: 19:38:35, 15-05-2008 » |
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Ron, that represents my view entirely. And, not having seen the coverage myself but been more than happy to accept the veracity of reports from many whose views I respect here and elsewhere, I have signed up accordingly.
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« Reply #24 on: 19:39:08, 15-05-2008 » |
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I agree Ron. I've decided to send it to my entire address book - musical people or not. I've signed petitions in the past for all sorts of causes of which I have no first-hand information, but have just been moved to do so.
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« Reply #25 on: 19:43:53, 15-05-2008 » |
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And for those who would like to go the extra mile....I've just pasted this from TOP.  I think lobbying the members of the Culture, Media and Sports Committee might prove more effective than complaining to the BBC. The website is: www.parliament.uk/pa... Contact email: mailto:cmscom@parliament.uk The address for those who'd like to write a letter is: House of Commons 7 Millbank London SW1P 3JA |
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« Reply #26 on: 20:09:11, 15-05-2008 » |
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... it's a perennial niggle with televised Proms ...
One of the thoughts that kept niggling when watching bits of Young Musician of the The Year was "So this is how much further the BBC has sunk since last YMOTY: I wonder what this bodes for the Proms 2008 telly coverage." |
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« Reply #27 on: 20:18:56, 15-05-2008 » |
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Proms TV coverage, especially on BBC4, has been unwatchable for several years. Patronising introductions from Charles Hazelwood, the interval quiz, asking members of the audience for their opinions of the music and, worst of all, "please email us, so that we can read out your views"!
R3 still avoids that sort of stuff (just!). I'd rather do without the pictures!
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... it's a perennial niggle with televised Proms ...
One of the thoughts that kept niggling when watching bits of Young Musician of the The Year was "So this is how much further the BBC has sunk since last YMOTY: I wonder what this bodes for the Proms 2008 telly coverage." The saving grace with the Proms is that there is the actual concert as the core of the programme and so they have to show the music ( don't they ? don't they ? don't they ? ) I can put up with Charles Hazlewood though would prefer Sharp, Klein or Pearson. But the interval quiz and celebrity interview are cringeworthy. Can't imagine a feature on Bernard or Valery shopping for his concert outfit but maybe Janine ? I thought it interesting that Tommy mentions in his blog that the controller of BBC4 has no great liking for classical music. Anyway, not to stray too far from the topic, sign the petition if you read the thread. |
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« Reply #29 on: 20:37:52, 15-05-2008 » |
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This is copied from R3 official MBs, a reply received two years ago by someone complaining about Young Musician:-
YM Team response:
TV COVERAGE - Thank you to everyone that has posted their comments about the TV coverage on the message board. Television coverage of returning strands such as BBC Young Musician are always subject to evolution and change in reaction to developing audience tastes and viewing habits. The overall approach this year was to look behind the polished performances and to understand more of the process that the young musicians have to go through and to get to know more of the character and personalities of those involved. We wanted to achieve this by going back further into the competition and include the quarter finals - a round that has not been featured on TV in recent years. The way to achieve our aims was to take a more documentary and story telling approach to the competition which we also applied to the semi finals. This approach may not have appealed to everybody but there was a strong audience for the programmes across the week and we achieved our best audience figures for the competition on BBC 4 so far. After we have reviewed this series in detail, undoubtedly the programmes will take on a different hew when the competition comes around again in 2008. As with other competitions on TV we think hearing some of the jury deliberations is interesting and informative. The members of the jury are picked for their expertise and are all respected musicians in their field. The respective juries reach their own conclusions about who should win or go onto the next round - their decisions as based purely on what they have seen and heard in the concert hall and they have no access or regard to any of the TV production. Since 2002 TV coverage of the competition has been split across BBC 2 and BBC 4 - with the semi finals and Eurovision Young Musician on BBC 4 and the final of BBC Young Musician on BBC 2. It is worth noting that by the time of the next competition in 2008 analogue switch off will have begun and viewers in some areas will only have access to digital TV though an aerial, satellite or cable."
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