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Pah! After a very good start that showed us lay bods some really very informative behind the-scenes stuff. it's just fallen flat on it's face. And now, the final vote is to be decided by the viewers.Beeb window dressing ,signifying bugler all. Katie Derham's frock performed well though. The orchestra and singers could have performed blindfold without the aid of a 'conductor'. Probably have done all the way through. Classical Idol.  Totally agree Mort, so it is Jane and Goldie (as we all said after first prog) and Sue Perkins. What could have been an informative programme has turned to dross. |
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« Reply #76 on: 13:56:28, 05-09-2008 » |
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Have been watching a bit of tonight's show. Ugh.
The thing that strikes me is this: 99% of conducting success is down to rehearsal technique. Anyone in the business will tell you that. What happens on the podium in performance is largely window dressing, and the real skill is in getting the most out of a few hours in rehearsal with a large group of people, many of whom turn up late anyway with lame excuses. And yet we don't get to see how the candidates handle rehearsals (do we?). I'm very glad you said that Martle, because I was thinking the same. I've not played in professional orchestra but in a generous handful of amateur ones, and it really was all about the rehearsals in all of those instances. It was quite common for the conductor to wander to the back of the room in later stages to see how it was sounding, with no effect on the music whatsoever. In performance they were usually there as a reminder (as were the pencil markings  ) I was wondering whether professional ones worked differently though. |
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« Reply #77 on: 22:30:29, 09-09-2008 » |
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YESSS! Sue Perkins won! The orchestra quite rightly 'saved' her, prior to the public vote. But what on earth were the judges thinking of when they placed Goldie ahead of her in their scoring  I've gone right off Vengerov now (well, only for a while probably)  I thought his comment that Perkins wasn't quite up to scratch because she didn't have a 'magic stick' rather patronising. Goldie somehow managed to make the Beethoven 5th sound 'thin' yet heavy and plodding at the same time. No light, shade or even much movement. |
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« Reply #78 on: 22:34:14, 09-09-2008 » |
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Right result, and only slightly wrong route there (Asher should have lost to Goldie in the orchestra vote). But I have a strong suspicion that it was all staged by the judges. (Or perhaps Dominc Seldis fancied Jane Asher just a lot)
I hope Goldie doesn't take it too badly - it was a close run thing between him and Perkins.
Moment of the night? Derham's wiggle for Seldis. Closely followed by Norrington mimicking the contestants......
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« Reply #79 on: 22:39:42, 09-09-2008 » |
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I have a strong suspicion that it was all staged by the judges. (Or perhaps Dominc Seldis fancied Jane Asher just a lot)
Moment of the night? Derham's wiggle for Seldis.
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« Reply #80 on: 22:41:33, 09-09-2008 » |
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(Or perhaps Dominc Seldis fancied Jane Asher just a lot)
Er, kind of obvious, wasn't it ... she was only there because he overmarked her in the last round. I was very surprised by just how bland Goldie's Beethoven was, given that his emotional connection to the music had been one of his strongest assets during the series. I thought Sue Perkins certainly won on the night, but for me Goldie's discovery of the music has been the most watchable part of the series. And, yes, Norrington's high-camp conducting of the Rossini was a highlight too. |
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« Reply #81 on: 22:42:13, 09-09-2008 » |
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I must say I was very relieved by the result, and rather surprised too. I haven't seen by any means all, or even most, of the programmes, but from what I have seen she stood out by miles. I thought that the viewers' vote might go to Goldie (incidentally, I still don't know what he's "famous" for). Perhaps it was manipulated a bit . I'm sure the jury votes were. |
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« Reply #82 on: 22:52:38, 09-09-2008 » |
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I've not played in professional orchestra but in a generous handful of amateur ones, and it really was all about the rehearsals in all of those instances. It was quite common for the conductor to wander to the back of the room in later stages to see how it was sounding, with no effect on the music whatsoever. In performance they were usually there as a reminder (as were the pencil markings ) I was wondering whether professional ones worked differently though. I've sung (choir) with many professional conductors, and several different professional orchestras, and my experience has been that the conductor makes or mars the performance. The orchestra and choir can do the notes, yes, but the general shape, tempo, togetherness and spirit of the performance is determined by the conductor. This has largely been true of amateur performances, too. There are some very bad amateur conductors (and one or two professionals I would prefer not to meet again, were I still singing). |
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« Reply #83 on: 22:53:19, 09-09-2008 » |
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I must say I was very relieved by the result, and rather surprised too. I haven't seen by any means all, or even most, of the programmes, but from what I have seen she stood out by miles. I thought that the viewers' vote might go to Goldie (incidentally, I still don't know what he's "famous" for). Perhaps it was manipulated a bit . I'm sure the jury votes were. Wiki describes him as an electronic music artist, disc jockey and actor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldie |
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« Reply #85 on: 14:35:21, 11-09-2008 » |
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Interesting to read the comments from the person who sang in the chorus.
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« Reply #86 on: 20:01:04, 13-09-2008 » |
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I thought Sue Perkins did a decent job in the Verdi aria. What a pity that Lesley Garrett wasn't up to it.  |
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« Reply #87 on: 20:05:23, 13-09-2008 » |
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Sue Perkins did a fine job. I was really quite chuffed to see her 'doing it'. LG did, er, LG.
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« Reply #88 on: 20:08:59, 13-09-2008 » |
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What a pity that Lesley Garrett wasn't up to it. A masterpiece of understatement, IGI. But then you lasted the piece; I'm afraid I turned off after the first few bars of Ms Garrett's butchery. I liked the way Sue Perkins kept the Elgar moving at a good brisk pace. |
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