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An utterly trivial thread but ..... you know when there is a piece of music that you just can`t help linking with a film scene. Or a commercial (come on, I know there are some of you that watch that new fangled television thing)? I cannot hear the overture to Rossini`s `The Thieving Magpie` without seeing that, ahem, biblical knowledge scene (complete with exploding milk cartons) in The Tall Guy with Emma Thompson and Jeff Goldblum.
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« Reply #1 on: 21:33:25, 04-05-2007 » |
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Mort For me it's Beethoven Pastoral Symph (Shepherd's Hymn) and Silvikrin.  |
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« Reply #2 on: 21:43:45, 04-05-2007 » |
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Mort For me it's Beethoven Pastoral Symph (Shepherd's Hymn) and Silvikrin. Ah, now for me it`s `Soylent Green`. |
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« Reply #3 on: 22:29:45, 04-05-2007 » |
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Mort For me it's Beethoven Pastoral Symph (Shepherd's Hymn) and Silvikrin. Martle, as an antidote, try linking the opening of the Pastoral Symphony with the opening of Wozzeck (oboe solo, just before the Captain's entry). At last, someone else who has heard that resemblance!!! (A bit like the accelerating theme in the last mt of Bartok's Music for Strings Percussion and Celesta - it is forever Grieg's Hall of he Mountain King for me...) |
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« Reply #4 on: 22:32:05, 04-05-2007 » |
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(A bit like the accelerating theme in the last mt of Bartok's Music for Strings Percussion and Celesta - it is forever Grieg's Hall of he Mountain King for me...)
Oh dear, now I'm not sure I'll ever hear that Bartok the same way again. And it's my favourite piece of mid-C20th orchestral music. Thanks, r-m!  |
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« Reply #5 on: 22:33:53, 04-05-2007 » |
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Any time, t_i_n  (sorry...) |
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« Reply #6 on: 22:37:06, 04-05-2007 » |
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Mort For me it's Beethoven Pastoral Symph (Shepherd's Hymn) and Silvikrin. Martle, as an antidote, try linking the opening of the Pastoral Symphony with the opening of Wozzeck (oboe solo, just before the Captain's entry). At last, someone else who has heard that resemblance!!! But it's usually accepted that Berg consciously had the Beethoven in mind, isn't it? |
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« Reply #7 on: 22:50:28, 04-05-2007 » |
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Whenever I hear, or play, the following (Beethoven Op. 111):  I have a feeling that this needs to follow:  Somehow the magisterial quality of the Beethoven dissipates somewhat when these thoughts come to mind! |
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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« Reply #8 on: 22:51:33, 04-05-2007 » |
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Any time, t_i_n (sorry...) It's ok! Actually I've recently acquired a wonderful CD of Peer Gynt which makes the whole thing sound fresh, so it's not nearly as bad as if you'd mentioned 'Hall of the M.K.' to me a year ago. |
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« Reply #9 on: 22:54:52, 04-05-2007 » |
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Re Wozzeck - don't remember George Perle spotting that one!
Ludwig van Joplin - what a thought... well, I suppose they both composed only one opera each...
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« Reply #10 on: 22:55:52, 04-05-2007 » |
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After a very intense performance of Mahler 9 (English Northern Philharmonia/Paul Daniel), a student kindly pointed out the resemblance of the finale to "I'm Dreaming of a White Christmas". It ruined it for me - now, I'm afraid, I'm passing it on to you ...
I always thought of it as Abide with Me... I'm Dreaming... is the second mt of Prokofiev's 7th Piano Sonata... |
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Ian Pace
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« Reply #11 on: 22:58:58, 04-05-2007 » |
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But it's usually accepted that Berg consciously had the Beethoven in mind, isn't it?
Ian, I didn't know that. Or maybe I did but had forgotten. Is it in Perle or Jarman somewhere? Qould be grateful for a reference if anyone has one. Actually, checking, neither Perle nor Jarman mention it. But it is in Luigi Rognoni - The Second Vienna School: The Rise of Expressionism in the Work of Arnold Schoenberg, Alban Berg and Anton Von Webern (a very good book). However, I see he says 'The Captain's theme bears a singular, though probably unconscious resemblance to the main theme of the first movement of Beethoven's Sixth Symphony ( Pastoral)' (p. 139). Think I may have seen others pick up on this, but can't remember where. |
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« Reply #12 on: 23:00:17, 04-05-2007 » |
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Also, has anyone noticed the similarity between the last movement of Brandenburg 5 and 'Yes, We Have No Bananas'?
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« Reply #14 on: 23:07:12, 04-05-2007 » |
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...and the beginning of Mahler 5 can segue quite nicely into the Mendelssohn Wedding March.  |
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