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Anyway, Hitchens beats Hoggart hands down in that first article of Ian's. But I probably would say that.  One of the very few things Christopher Hitchens gets right nowadays |
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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I quickly gave it up half way through my first cigarette when someone told me you were meant to suck rather than blow  I personally wouldn't want to participate in a plot by capitalist multinational companies to exploit underpaid third world tobacco workers and then make their profits for their bourgeois shareholders by largescale trafficking in addictive narcotic commodities to the proletariat, but I wouldn't want to stop other Comrades here from doing so of course . |
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I personally wouldn't want to participate in a plot by capitalist multinational companies to exploit underpaid third world tobacco workers and then make their profits for their bourgeois shareholders by largescale trafficking in addictive narcotic commodities to the proletariat, but I wouldn't want to stop other Comrades here from doing so of course . I know, I know, I know, I know!!!!! This is a rather difficult contradiction to deal with.... Ian (who is going to make a real effort to quit in July) |
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As one who works in the world of Cancer care, I must say STOP, STOP, STOP ! I have witnessed so much misery caused by the effects on health by cigarette smoke...it really is the evil weed. You are too precious to risk your life in this way.  x Jan x Jan, you`re right of course and most smokers know that. However, on a slightly different tack - Last summer the hospice introduced a smoking ban. Fair enough. Us staff can always amble outside. Up until that point however, patients had been allowed to smoke in their rooms. For many of them that was about the only remaining pleasure left. Now, come rain shine or snow they can be seen outside on the pavement (can`t even smoke in the garden) looking obviously ill, some in wheelchairs, some with drip stands, huddling underneath umberellas. Despite the fact that, along with prisons and mental health units, we are exempt from the ban. God knows what kind of message that sends to passers-by. `These people are dying and they send them outside?` Although I`m sure Headmistress Hewitt would just sniff `Well they brought it on themselves`  Sorry, should probably have taken this to the Grump Room, but it just makes me SO angry. |
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I wonder - given that Anti-Smoking legislation has upset the Church of Ireland ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/6560899.stm) - whether the next target will move on from the Protestant churches to the Catholic ones? If so, are we about to witness a ban on the use of incense within the enclosed and public confinements of a church? That should add an interesting dimension! Baziron |
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« Reply #22 on: 14:51:23, 14-05-2007 » |
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I cant believe the things that go on in your Hospice, Mort....!!!  The last pleasure of a dying person taken out in the rain !!! It's about time the Director there got chucked out, (along with their fat salary...) I've never smoked a fag in my life, but when I was a Macmillan nurse, I lit up for plenty of people who were so weak they couldn't light their own. It is one thing to discourage the staff, but totally inhumane to deprive the patients of their fags. Gimme a drink... x Jan x |
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Thanks, Babe, mines a whisky & water....have sent you a personal message, by the way x
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Oh, and... since I've mentioned Tobias Hume on another thread, there's this song for voice and viol (to complement the Weelkes):
Tobacco, Tobacco
Sing sweetly for Tobacco,
Tobacco is like love,
O love it
For you see I will prove it.
Love maketh leane the fatte mens tumor, So doth Tobacco,
Love still dries uppe the wanton humor, So doth Tobacco,
Love makes men sayle from shore to shore, So doth Tobacco,
'Tis fond love often makes men poor So doth Tobacco,
Love makes men scorne all Coward feares, So doth Tobacco,
Love often sets men by the eares, So doth Tobacco.
Tobacco, Tobacco
Sing sweetly for Tobacco,
Tobaccoe is like Love,
O love it,
For you see I have provde it.
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I personally wouldn't want to participate in a plot by capitalist multinational companies to exploit underpaid third world tobacco workers and then make their profits for their bourgeois shareholders by largescale trafficking in addictive narcotic commodities to the proletariat, but I wouldn't want to stop other Comrades here from doing so of course . What if the workers of the world rose up and took control of tobacco production & distribution? |
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Then they'd still be using arable land for a lethal and addictive drug instead of for food (Yes, I know that argument points decisively in the direction of vegetarianism as well...) Er, anyway, the Italians have banned it from restaurants and pubs and it's working really well, the Irish likewise, don't know exactly how the ban's working out in France but looking forward to finding out in a month or so. But Germany seems stuck in the Smoky Age, in pubs, restaurants and trains. Why don't you all just come over here?  |
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Some of you might like this article. Are there no plans for Germany to implement a smoking ban yet, then?   |
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From what i remember its the aroma of the smoke in Germany that's different-deeper. My Teutonophile colleague
of yore Yogi used to wake up in the bandroom with oil slick filter coffee and camels, and these made a credible
breakfast from an olfactory point of view. Likewise the stogies(I was on the cigars briefly). Was it the air? The
louche armchair coffee-culture? the fact that the food smells like food and the senses are attuned to a mix of
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