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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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Rita Hayworth mit woodbine and Rafferty before the warp of the rictus Stylophone? She would have helped if she could but it was all too 'wondrous' for him alas.Rita also puts me in mind of very pretty oboeistes in my student years struggling with
having to store reeds in their dad's tobacco tins (nothing else would do , hermetically, I guess)
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« Reply #32 on: 00:53:34, 15-05-2007 » |
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« Reply #33 on: 01:16:09, 15-05-2007 » |
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Careful Ian. Smoking might be bad for you. It already seems to have turned Alain Delon into Robert Kilroy-Silk (Cut). And was that Rita Hayworth a real smoker? She seems a bit excited that there's smoke coming out of her cigarette.  |
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« Reply #34 on: 13:39:06, 15-05-2007 » |
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Not exactly relevant (and I can't find my blastedcopy anyway) but:
bacco! bacco! éuoé...
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« Reply #35 on: 21:07:36, 15-05-2007 » |
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Then they'd still be using arable land for a lethal and addictive drug instead of for food  (Yes, I know that argument points decisively in the direction of vegetarianism as well...) With a fair economic system there might be room for both ! Or people could still grow thier own http://www.users.bigpond.com/belliston/questions.html |
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« Reply #36 on: 21:32:57, 15-05-2007 » |
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Are there no plans for Germany to implement a smoking ban yet, then? Tempted, eh? The idea floats along every few months and then sinks again, I can only presume from cowardice. There was an attempt at a federal level which flopped a little while ago, then some of the states decided to take it up for themselves, then there were federal mumblings that it made the country look pretty stupid to do it in a patchwork way so they should get their act together federally after all but I don't know if it's got further than mumblings. I've given up getting my hopes up. If anything will fix it it's people coming home from holidays and saying how nice it was not to have their clothes kippered every time they wanted a beer. Unfortunately more Germans holiday in Spain than in Italy... The lobby seems pretty strong here - if there are any curbs at all on tobacco advertising I don't know what form they take (maybe you can't advertise them on TV, I don't watch it so I wouldn't know). In many of the trains the smoking and non-smoking sections are separated effectively by nothing at all, smokers and non-smokers sharing a carriage divided by token little perspex panels which don't extend into the aisle. You quite regularly see parents in cafés smoking within inches of their kids - I hope none of you here would go that far. Switzerland isn't a lot better, at least Basel isn't. I was there at carnival time and there was a float with the slogan Ruuchen is a Grundrächt. 'Smoking is a basic right'. Fine, but breathing is too and it's a little further up my list. (OK, at least they've banned it in trains.) [edit: er, they've banned smoking, not breathing...] When I was first in Italy ten years ago I was somewhat disgusted that smoking seemed to be permitted everywhere and even where it wasn't people did it. Now the Italians seem to have done away with it and Germany is where Italy was a decade ago. So come on over, folks...  |
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Ian Pace
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« Reply #37 on: 21:45:07, 15-05-2007 » |
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Is it, er, possible there could be some workable halfway house? Where you have some designated smoking areas that are clearly separated (not just with perspex panels - I know the ones you mean on German trains) from the rest of bars?
As for tobacco advertising, can see no reason why that should be allowed in any form.
When it's smoking outside of buildings, what's released pales into insignificance compared to exhaust fumes from cars. Should we not have some laws to try and cut down on those (which also do far more environmental damage)?
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« Reply #38 on: 21:49:56, 15-05-2007 » |
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Is it, er, possible there could be some workable halfway house? Where you have some designated smoking areas that are clearly separated (not just with perspex panels - I know the ones you mean on German trains) from the rest of bars?
As for tobacco advertising, can see no reason why that should be allowed in any form.
When it's smoking outside of buildings, what's released pales into insignificance compared to exhaust fumes from cars. Should we not have some laws to try and cut down on those (which also do far more environmental damage)?
Yes - like bring back (or rather forward once again) the EV1? Best, Alistair |
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« Reply #39 on: 22:27:41, 15-05-2007 » |
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I'm not going to get too sentimental or anything, but Hitchens has it thus:
'Forget all the usual babble about "inclusiveness" and "diversity". If you want to toddle round to the Rat and Goldfish and have a smoke and a drink while you mutter over the newspaper, you can forget it.'
...and this makes me sad. I accept all the medical and social arguments. And, like Ian, I'll give giving up a go. But I'll miss the escapism, the quiet intimacy of that read of newspaper, the little corner seat... ok, shoot me...
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« Reply #40 on: 22:48:48, 15-05-2007 » |
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I'm not going to get too sentimental or anything, but Hitchens has it thus:
'Forget all the usual babble about "inclusiveness" and "diversity". If you want to toddle round to the Rat and Goldfish and have a smoke and a drink while you mutter over the newspaper, you can forget it.'
...and this makes me sad. I accept all the medical and social arguments. And, like Ian, I'll give giving up a go. But I'll miss the escapism, the quiet intimacy of that read of newspaper, the little corner seat... ok, shoot me...
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Mart, forgive my lack of any further coherent contribution but, I`m with you here. I`ll just sit outside the pub inhaling the traffic fumes while I poison meself ... |
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« Reply #42 on: 00:25:16, 16-05-2007 » |
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I can recall an early 80s German ad image of a woman about to launch down a slalem with a fag at a Hilda Ogden discursive angle.
I imagine the fashionistas slowly caught up with that one.
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'...A celebrity is someone who didn't get the attention they needed as an adult'
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« Reply #43 on: 09:30:21, 16-05-2007 » |
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The city is a process which always veers away from the form envisaged and desired, ... whose revenge upon its architects and planners undoes every dream of mastery. It is [also] one of the sites where Dasein is assigned the impossible task of putting right what can never be put right. - Rob Lapsley
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« Reply #44 on: 15:21:31, 16-05-2007 » |
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Not much smoking going on today...have you all seen the error of your ways..? x Jan x <tiptoes off> |
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