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roslynmuse
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« Reply #120 on: 16:36:03, 11-02-2007 »
Rivers then?

As in: River Kwai; Moscow River; Summer Night on the River (Delius); Curlew River (Britten)...

...Rubbra???!!!
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« Reply #121 on: 16:41:41, 11-02-2007 »
Aha! Deep River - Fukagawa - Rubbra!!!

Ian - couldn't find enough info on Schnebel to work out if it was "Beethoven-Moment" or "Beethoven-Symphony"; but came across a Tempo article of yours on Kagel in the process!
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« Reply #122 on: 16:43:15, 11-02-2007 »
Yes, rivers is the link!

The Rubbra (solo piano) was written as a teaching piece and is called The shining river.

http://www.amazon.com/Rubbra-Complete-Solo-Piano-Music/dp/B00005MHN7/sr=8-3/qid=1171211592/ref=sr_1_3/102-6497233-0342519?ie=UTF8&s=music
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« Reply #123 on: 16:56:00, 11-02-2007 »
Thank goodness you've got it! Smiley

Now I can relax.
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« Reply #124 on: 12:14:47, 12-02-2007 »
Don't relax for too long, Mary!  Smiley Here's that VW quartet:

Brahms
Walton
Tchaikovsky
Vaughan-Williams
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Ian Pace
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« Reply #125 on: 13:04:43, 12-02-2007 »
roslynmuse and Il Grand Inquistor are very close, would just like a list of the four pieces in question (and, where a piece consists of a cycle, the specific chapter(s)), and the reference in question.
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« Reply #126 on: 14:48:39, 12-02-2007 »
Brahms/Walton/Tchaik/VW

I thought I had it all worked out with roses:

Tchaik, Rose Adagio/Crown of Roses

Brahms, Es ist ein Ros'

Walton, Lady when I behold the roses (from Anon in Love)


but......roses in VW?Huh


So how about (somewhat far-fetched!) soldiers of various types?

Tchaikovsky, Oprichnik (The Guardsman)

Brahms, Soldatenlieder

Walton, Major Barbara

VW, Dirge for two Veterans (from Dona Nobis Pacem)
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« Reply #127 on: 15:10:56, 12-02-2007 »
Mark

Anything to do with victory?

Brahms: Triumphlied
Walton: Luftwaffe victory
Tchaikovsky: 1812 overture (celebrating Napoleon's unsuccessful invasion of Russia)
Vaughan-Williams: Song of victory
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« Reply #128 on: 16:43:38, 12-02-2007 »
Mary and Dan,

No roses (did those quite a bit at the old boards) and, as inspired as they are, no soldiers or mighty military victories. Something much more down to earth, I'm afraid.
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« Reply #129 on: 17:23:04, 12-02-2007 »
Quote from: Ian Pace on 13:04:43, 12-02-2007
roslynmuse and Il Grand Inquistor are very close, would just like a list of the four pieces in question (and, where a piece consists of a cycle, the specific chapter(s)), and the reference in question.

Ok, Ian, this is a tough one. Here are my answers as fully as I can find them (having little or no German made researching the Schnebel tricky)  Shocked

Ives – Piano Sonata No.2, Concord (each movement quotes the opening bars of Beethoven’s 5th Symphony)

Walter Murphy - "A Fifth of Beethoven"  - disco version of Beethoven's Fifth Symphony

Finnissy - History of Photography in Sound – Concert 2: Capitalist realism (with Sicilian male nudes and Bachian paraphrases) quotes Beethoven’s 5th Symphony as well as String Quartet Op.18 No.5 and Piano Sonata Op.10 No.1

Dieter Schnebel - Beethoven Symphony (1985) (Re-Visionen I, no. 2) for percussion and chamber ensemble...no idea which piece of Beethoven it quotes, but as the others quote the 5th, I’ll go with that one as the link.

Fingers crossed!!
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« Reply #130 on: 17:54:16, 12-02-2007 »
Mark

Hamlet?
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« Reply #131 on: 18:00:56, 12-02-2007 »
No, not Hamlet, though I didn't know, until just now, about Brahms' 'Ophelia Lieder'.
Did VW set any of Hamlet?
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« Reply #132 on: 18:08:00, 12-02-2007 »
Mark

Not sure about RVW and Hamlet. Maybe in the Serenade to Music (which I don't know at all).
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« Reply #133 on: 18:15:06, 12-02-2007 »
The Serenade to Music sets text from The Merchant of Venice (beautiful piece...do investigate the Corydon Singers on a disc which includes an account of the Fantasia on Christmas Carols with Thomas Allen).
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« Reply #134 on: 18:26:17, 12-02-2007 »
Thanks, Mark, one for the wish list!

Is the connection old?

Tchaikovsky: Old French Melody
RVW: Old King Cole
WW: Old Sir Faulk
Brahms: Alt-Rhapsody
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