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Kittybriton
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« Reply #345 on: 19:37:41, 24-11-2007 »

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« Reply #346 on: 20:34:53, 26-11-2007 »

i don't doubt that this project has value, I wouldnt do something if i thought of it as invaluable.
invaluable is not the same as worthless. It's kind of the opposite.
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« Reply #347 on: 20:41:06, 26-11-2007 »

i don't doubt that this project has value, I wouldnt do something if i thought of it as invaluable.
invaluable is not the same as worthless. It's kind of the opposite.
This infamous pedant can't but agree with you, Mr Dish!

Kitty, you can't only just have noticed Sydney's allergy to commas?!?!? He's been omitting them from lists since, oh, at least 1908. Wink
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« Reply #348 on: 19:14:12, 27-11-2007 »

who would have thought it?

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« Reply #349 on: 10:35:18, 28-11-2007 »

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set up an independent inquiry into what rules should govern the oversight of Labour donations
Can 'oversight' be the noun form from 'oversee'?

Curiously, it normally corresponds to the verb 'overlook' ...
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« Reply #350 on: 10:59:18, 28-11-2007 »

Oversight (noun). See the second use.
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« Reply #351 on: 11:11:03, 28-11-2007 »

The two uses of 'oversight' have given rise to much innocent pleasure in my line of business. Much chortling to be had from sentences such as: "I can assure the House that the activities of the Security Services are subject to Ministerial oversight."   
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« Reply #352 on: 12:56:59, 28-11-2007 »

Why don't priceless and worthless have the same meaning?

And why are flammable and inflammable synonyms rather than antonyms?  (OK, I know inflammable is from the verb inflame, but superficially it seems wrong.)
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« Reply #353 on: 13:15:32, 28-11-2007 »

Why don't priceless and worthless have the same meaning?

And why are flammable and inflammable synonyms rather than antonyms?  (OK, I know inflammable is from the verb inflame, but superficially it seems wrong.)

The reason why is tied up with the way our language is derived from a variety of roots, Ruth. It gives us more opportunities to invest theoretically similar words with very precisely differentiated shades of meaning: childish, childlike, infantile, puerile are pretty much synonyms, but each conveys a different attitude. The first two, being derived from Germanic tongues being more down to earth, less judgemental than the second pair, derived from Romance languages. 
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« Reply #354 on: 13:22:22, 28-11-2007 »


And why are flammable and inflammable synonyms rather than antonyms?  (OK, I know inflammable is from the verb inflame, but superficially it seems wrong.)


inflammable used to be used on UK labels, and I believe it goes back to transport regulations (ADR) derived from French regulation which used the word inflammable. UK may have changed to flammable in the early 1990s when EEC Health & Safety legislation became adopted here (though ADR still applies).

Hmm, sorry, that's a rather vague response on a Pedantry thread, I must do better (check facts etc.)  Smiley


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« Reply #355 on: 14:02:10, 28-11-2007 »

John, this is off-topic but you've just reminded me:

Did I ever explain on these boards how I always used to think "hazchem" was Hebrew for "warning"?
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« Reply #356 on: 14:15:36, 28-11-2007 »

John, this is off-topic but you've just reminded me:

Did I ever explain on these boards how I always used to think "hazchem" was Hebrew for "warning"?

tinners, off-topic or not, tell us the story. We`re all in need of a Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #357 on: 15:36:08, 28-11-2007 »

Oh, it's very silly really. I thought you might have worked it out for yourselves.


Now, why my first reaction to seeing such a sign (which, I should explain for the benefit of Foreign Members, are quite common in the UK) should have been to assume it was bilingual in English and Hebrew is anybody's guess, really.

Although as my mum (Mrs Now) would say, 'You never go for the simple answer, Time Is*, do you?'

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« Reply #358 on: 15:53:29, 28-11-2007 »

(*She always calls me by my full name.)

Wouldn't that be "TimeUnderscoreIs"?

I know someone who thought until she was in her twenties that "spatula" was a Hebrew word, having previously only heard relatives use it.
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« Reply #359 on: 16:28:16, 28-11-2007 »


And why are flammable and inflammable synonyms rather than antonyms?  (OK, I know inflammable is from the verb inflame, but superficially it seems wrong.)


inflammable used to be used on UK labels, and I believe it goes back to transport regulations (ADR) derived from French regulation which used the word inflammable. UK may have changed to flammable in the early 1990s when EEC Health & Safety legislation became adopted here (though ADR still applies).

Hmm, sorry, that's a rather vague response on a Pedantry thread, I must do better (check facts etc.)  Smiley


John W

Until the rise of internet message boards there was indeed no verb 'to flame' in regular use in pedantic circles as far as I know. What I learnt at school (in Australia) was that flame was the noun and that if you set something in flames you inflamed it, hence inflammable, whose opposite was non-inflammable.

'Flammable' has of course caught on to the extent where this position is a bit unrealistic. I do hope there isn't anyone using inflammable as the antonym though. Thank goodness for 'fireproof'. Wink
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