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« Reply #435 on: 00:43:46, 07-01-2008 » |
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I'd go for 'roth' (more or less)
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« Reply #436 on: 00:44:47, 07-01-2008 » |
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The Guardian newspaper has an unusual house style with regard to titles. It never uses italics for any work, except in its Saturday Review section. Do the italics help? I think less is more in these cases.
Loth and loath are both acceptable. Loathe is the verb.
Now please infer
That, nothing loth,
You're henceforth, as it were,
Engaged to marry both.
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« Reply #437 on: 00:45:03, 07-01-2008 » |
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The OED has 'loath' as the main spelling with 'loth' as an acceptable alternative.
Left to my own devices I think I would have put it the other way around. But maybe there is a convention that where a word can be spelled (spelt?) in more than one way the one that is alphabetically prior gets the main entry?
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« Reply #439 on: 00:49:26, 07-01-2008 » |
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Chambers Dictionary prefers loth to loath, and Fowler simply says that loath is the OUP house style.
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« Reply #440 on: 00:50:28, 07-01-2008 » |
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The Guardian newspaper has an unusual house style with regard to titles. It never uses italics for any work, except in its Saturday Review section. Not actually that unusual, Tony: the Sunday Times (or the Sunday Times?!  ) does the same. The Musical Times has a slightly odd house style, which is to use italics but only to capitalise the first letter of the first word. Incidentally, I was trying to find out a while ago what the correct practice is in French - I thought that was only to capitalise the first letter of the first word, but someone told me that if the first word is 'un(e)' or 'le/l'/la' you should also capitalise the word that follows. I couldn't find any evidence for this, though. I hadn't noticed that the Guardian Saturday Review did things differently from the rest of the paper! |
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It was the fact that there is just one section of the Guardian, a Saturday supplement, has a different house style from the rest of the newspaper that I found unusual, not that the main part of the newspaper didn't italicize titles. I think the justification is that the Review section mentions many titles. It's also because the editor of it has different views on the matter.
Incidentally, I prefer -ize to -ise, as in organize. All good dictionaries recommend the practice but hardly anyone, apart from the OUP, seems to follow it. The Times abandoned -ize for -ise about 40 years ago.
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How do people from Manchester pronounce "wrath?" It's not a word commonly heard there, I believe. But they ought to pronounce it 'roth', the same as the rest of the country. Why would it be any different in Manchester? I was thinking of the word "bath." |
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« Reply #443 on: 01:07:33, 07-01-2008 » |
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Incidentally, I was trying to find out a while ago what the correct practice is in French - I thought that was only to capitalise the first letter of the first word, but someone told me that if the first word is 'un(e)' or 'le/l'/la' you should also capitalise the word that follows. I couldn't find any evidence for this, though. Does this help? |
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« Reply #444 on: 01:08:31, 07-01-2008 » |
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The Musical Times has a slightly odd house style, which is to use italics but only to capitalise the first letter of the first word.
Incidentally, I was trying to find out a while ago what the correct practice is in French - I thought that was only to capitalise the first letter of the first word, but someone told me that if the first word is 'un(e)' or 'le/l'/la' you should also capitalise the word that follows. I couldn't find any evidence for this, though.
The MT style is one I think particularly ugly (it can look as though a capital has been omitted in something like Five French folksongs). It is odd because I am keen on your first version of French practice - Les mamelles... rather than Les Mamelles... (don't know why that eg came to mind!) |
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« Reply #445 on: 01:17:14, 07-01-2008 » |
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They ought to pronounce it 'roth', the same as the rest of the country.
Why would it be any different in Manchester?
I was thinking of the word "bath." I thought you must be. But 'wrath' doesn't rhyme with 'bath' in any part of the country - I think that was Sydney's point! Are you American, by any chance? |
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Incidentally, I was trying to find out a while ago what the correct practice is in French - I thought that was only to capitalise the first letter of the first word, but someone told me that if the first word is 'un(e)' or 'le/l'/la' you should also capitalise the word that follows. I couldn't find any evidence for this, though. Does this help? Yes it does, at least in that it's evidence some people do it that way. But I'm not convinced that's the only correct way, or even the most usual one. Like ros, I think Les mamelles ... looks better (look better?!  ). |
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That is indeed the 'rule'. People haven't always felt obliged to follow it but those people (Messiaen!) usually have more capitals rather than fewer. The CD I just had a peek at does indeed have Les Mamelles de Tirésias and Le Bal masqué.
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« Reply #448 on: 07:34:45, 07-01-2008 » |
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That is indeed the 'rule'. People haven't always felt obliged to follow it but those people (Messiaen!) usually have more capitals rather than fewer. The CD I just had a peek at does indeed have Les Mamelles de Tirésias and Le Bal masqué. It is interesting that the passage we reproduced has the "Le" italicized and the " l' " not. That is consistently the case throughout the book, so it must must it not accord with some rule. It comes, incidentally, from the book " Fauré et l'inexprimable" by the admirable Vladimir Jankélévitch, author also of a fine French translation of Schelling's " Historico-Critical Introduction to the Philosophy of Mythology." He and we had the same interests! |
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the admirable Vladimir Jankélévitch
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