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Il Grande Inquisitor
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« Reply #195 on: 21:08:31, 31-01-2008 »

Vanhal is an intriguing possibility.  Although my one experience of playing Vanhal was rather boring, and this piece doesn't sound boring. 

I rather like Vanhal. Naxos have a few discs of symphonies, but the real winner is a disc by Concerto Köln on Teldec, now available at budget price.
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« Reply #196 on: 22:05:17, 31-01-2008 »

Puzzle 11: Antheil the Termite Lover has correctly identified the composer as Wagner...now for the castanets?! (but not Tannhäuser)
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« Reply #197 on: 22:22:58, 31-01-2008 »

The speculation about puzzle 7 is so entertaining I'd really rather not provide any clues.

I'll just say that the correct answer is hiding up a tree wondering why the sound of barking is so far away... Wink
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« Reply #198 on: 22:26:57, 31-01-2008 »

The speculation about puzzle 7 is so entertaining I'd really rather not provide any clues.


I fear we're getting no nearer, Ollie, but I think you will have to reveal the answer soon, as the five days are up, Member Grew having reduced the limit on outstanding puzzles to stop massive point tallies racking up!! (It's working nicely in my favour for Puzzle 11 though!)
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« Reply #199 on: 00:07:32, 01-02-2008 »

Vanhal is an intriguing possibility.  Although my one experience of playing Vanhal was rather boring, and this piece doesn't sound boring. 

I rather like Vanhal. Naxos have a few discs of symphonies, but the real winner is a disc by Concerto Köln on Teldec, now available at budget price.

To be fair, I suppose it's not necessarily the music that made my one experience of playing Vanhal rather boring...  Lips sealed

Hmm, there are no oboes that I can hear in this snatch, but Haydn's Symphony no. 52 is in c minor.  Too bad it doesn't sounds like Haydn.
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« Reply #200 on: 00:44:40, 01-02-2008 »

Aaaargh! Not to take anything away from Ron's success with Puzzle 11, but I had the answer Das Liebesverbot at about 8 o'clock, but was dragged away from the computer by my better half before I could finish typing the reply! You've got to be in it to win it though, and to be fair Ron had probably heard of the piece before - and therefore deserves to win the points - whereas I was merely guessing wildly with the help of a dictionary, an iTunes music store, and a hunch...

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I am enjoying this game!
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« Reply #201 on: 01:00:10, 01-02-2008 »

C) Great Computerized Member Rating Point Table:
Mr. D.: -20
Mr. D: -225


Buzz!!! Repetition.

SG -1000 points!
Not quite we think, but we are grateful to Mr. D for pointing out the discrepancy. At first we feared it was wild life in the programme logic, but in fact it arose simply from our entry of "D" in one place and "D." in another. Turing predicted that computers would by 2000 be able to provide a performance indistinguishable from that of your average man, but he (Turing) has proved to be wrong on that point at least has he not, since he (your average man) would very likely have been able to pick that up in a trice. Anyway we award Mr. D ex gratia 200 points for his trouble and perspicuity! They will appear in the next set of statistics.

The speculation about puzzle 7 is so entertaining I'd really rather not provide any clues.

I fear we're getting no nearer, Ollie, but I think you will have to reveal the answer soon, as the five days are up, Member Grew having reduced the limit on outstanding puzzles to stop massive point tallies racking up!! (It's working nicely in my favour for Puzzle 11 though!)

Yes indeed, the clock has stopped and the time has come for Mr. Sudden to reveal the answer! It is a puzzle we ourself would not have solved in a million years since there is something about that period - a disloyalty to Bach perhaps - which disaffects us, rather.
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« Reply #202 on: 01:09:29, 01-02-2008 »

All right then, here it is.

Strina should have trusted her instincts! Or at least had a quick listen to a recording before dismissing the Haydn option.

It sounds very like Haydn to me. And I'm on safe ground in saying that I suppose. Since it was and is indeed Haydn's symphony no. 52 in C minor. And the instrument up there is a horn in C alto (played by one A. Halstead). Another firm pointer in the direction of Haydn, what?
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« Reply #203 on: 01:26:34, 01-02-2008 »

[...] it was and is indeed Haydn's symphony no. 52 in C minor. [...]

Thank you Mr. Sudden; another 480 points are on their way to you. And we, who never (or at least very very rarely) listen to Haydn, venture to congratulate ourself upon having somehow managed at least to recognise that it was one of his symphonies. Is it often played?
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« Reply #204 on: 01:36:26, 01-02-2008 »

It's not played as often as it should be but we know a decent handful of recordings (Pinnock, Bruggen, Kuijken among them). We find it a quite marvellous work and the heavily syncopated and horn-topped finale extremely invigorating. Indeed it was this very splendid top G spot for the horns that prompted us to choose this for our snatch. We had suspected that the Haydn fanatics among us might have picked it though! - the symphonies of this period are very fine and at times extremely original and among Haydn fans have quite a following. Or so we thought...
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« Reply #205 on: 08:04:45, 01-02-2008 »

Anyway we award Mr. D ex gratia 200 points for his trouble and perspicuity!

Perspicuity aside, we feel that Mr. D is in addition due our gratitude for his perspicacity. Whether that gratitude should be translated into yet further points is of course not for me but for our Question Master to consider.
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« Reply #206 on: 09:00:28, 01-02-2008 »

Here is the Haydn in full: the finale from the symphony no. 52.

We hope it might provoke further investigation of the hidden crannies of his symphonic output.
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« Reply #207 on: 09:51:00, 01-02-2008 »

Thanks to Baz for the Holst (First) Choral Symphony, which I can't have heard for a decade or more, although the LP was played often: I replaced it on CD in an HMV sale just before my move, and somehow it's never been played - it was still in its cellophane wrapper when I took it from its shelf. Spinning now: splendid stuff!
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« Reply #208 on: 10:36:48, 01-02-2008 »

All right then, here it is.

Strina should have trusted her instincts! Or at least had a quick listen to a recording before dismissing the Haydn option.

It sounds very like Haydn to me. And I'm on safe ground in saying that I suppose. Since it was and is indeed Haydn's symphony no. 52 in C minor. And the instrument up there is a horn in C alto (played by one A. Halstead). Another firm pointer in the direction of Haydn, what?

Aaargh!  Oh well.  My knowledge of Haydn is limited to the later symphonies, quite a few string quartets, some concertos, the Creation, a handful of masses and some other random bits and pieces.  His earlier symphonies I know nothing of - hopefully that will be rectified soon.
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« Reply #209 on: 11:01:10, 01-02-2008 »

Here is the Haydn in full: the finale from the symphony no. 52.

We hope it might provoke further investigation of the hidden crannies of his symphonic output.

Any hints about how to play an m4a file, Mr. Sudden? Microsoft jibs. We may have more luck later to-day when we copy it to a second computer which is not exposed to the Internet.

Anyway we award Mr. D ex gratia 200 points for his trouble and perspicuity!

Perspicuity aside, we feel that Mr. D is in addition due our gratitude for his perspicacity. Whether that gratitude should be translated into yet further points is of course not for me but for our Question Master to consider.

We thank Mr. Garnett for pointing that out; it is an important distinction of which we had until to-day been all too unconscious!

Here again are a few random and nugatory thoughts about the snatches outstanding:

14: Still that curious jazz interlude - we wonder whether the rest of the work has a preponderance of jazz over beautiful strings - did some one confirm that it was Stravinsky? - Let's leave it to others, but we shall be interested to learn the answer.

19: Well we suppose it is vulgar enough for Shostacowitch himself, as Mr. I hints - we had better leave its recognition to others too.

21: (modern piano) - not unclever - although some of the rhythm is quite crude and tedious - not a style with which we are familiar - rather like a tired and emotional Schoenberg - American or German probably, and post-1945 - could even be Hindemith at a stretch - again it will be interesting to learn the answer.

22: Long clarinet solo with a piano entry at the end - no idea even of the composer's nationality, but an Englishman is a possibility.

25: The simple yet idiosyncratic harmonic progressions and one or two orchestral turns make us fairly confident that this is one of the several Paganini Violin Concerti; but which one we have no idea. It does not appear to be the First. . . .
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