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Sorry, I thought I was talking to Bryn here.
But as you wish to join in it was me that was accused of having put on the board strange pieces and as you seem to want a comment I can see that you have taken no notice of Ravel's music or any of the other ones I mentioned . In fact I can honestly say that I can hear no evidence of any musician at all in your compositions.
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« Reply #736 on: 22:16:56, 23-02-2008 » |
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And.. yet again you and some others have spoilt for me one of the best threads the message board has had. Thanks.
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« Reply #737 on: 22:19:28, 23-02-2008 » |
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Sorry, I thought I was talking to Bryn here.
But as you wish to join in it was me that was accused of having put on the board strange pieces and as you seem to want a comment I can see that you have taken no notice of Ravel's music or any of the other ones I mentioned . In fact I can honestly say that I can hear no evidence of any musician at all in your compositions.
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« Reply #739 on: 22:36:35, 23-02-2008 » |
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I can honestly say that I can hear no evidence of any musician at all in your compositions.
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Sorry, I thought I was talking to Bryn here.
But as you wish to join in it was me that was accused of having put on the board strange pieces and as you seem to want a comment I can see that you have taken no notice of Ravel's music or any of the other ones I mentioned . In fact I can honestly say that I can hear no evidence of any musician at all in your compositions.
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The word Richard used was "obscure", not "strange", as in: "Some of yours are pretty obscure for those of us who don't go round sticking hollow bits of wood under our chins every day." There is a world of difference. And I ignored that stupid comment about my playing the violin. But it wasn't particularly friendly was it? This was my mild comment that brought all you composers out of the woodwork... I am entitled to an opinion, at least that was what I thought. Re: Two- to Sixty-second Repertoire Test Discussion
I am sorry to say that , to me , these last few clips are not repertoire as normally known... or is it just me?
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« Reply #741 on: 23:16:08, 23-02-2008 » |
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A, you've quoted Richard's comment without the smiley that follows it. The whole point of smileys is to allow a gentle nudge-nudge comment to be labelled as such. Without the smiley, it could be unfriendly. With it, it's just a tweak. On the other hand your #735 is a direct personal attack on Richard which to my mind is well out of order. I don't see what's particularly offensive about calling a violin a hollow bit of wood under your chin. I don't get offended if someone calls a clarinet a wooden tube you blow down. I suspect what brought some of the composers out of the woodwork was posting along these lines: http://r3ok.myforum365.com/index.php?topic=2508.msg94349#msg94349And frankly if that's the case I can see their point. This is Ollie typing, not Moderator Oliver Sudden, who will not be appearing on this thread but will leave any necessary modding to his colleagues. |
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« Reply #742 on: 23:19:47, 23-02-2008 » |
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« Reply #743 on: 23:44:11, 23-02-2008 » |
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Ollie, to be fair, it was I who quoted Richard without the emoticon. It was the wording I sought to remind people of.
I thought Baz's attempts at solutions for the Rzewski extract unworthy of anything other than a bland response. As attempts at humour, they don't really cut the mustard, do they?
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« Reply #744 on: 23:57:06, 23-02-2008 » |
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[...] The whole point of smileys is to allow a gentle nudge-nudge comment to be labelled as such. [...] I don't get offended if someone calls a clarinet a wooden tube you blow down. We have never in our life used a "smiley"; we invariably find them extremely offensive! They introduce an American atmosphere do not they? At least we have learned something from this page because until now we had imagined clarinettes to be constructed from a kind of black or white plastic. It is time for a further clue in regard to our puzzle 134. We have established that it is a piano concerto written by a Russian gentleman during the life-time of Saint-Saens; now we can reveal that its composer made his second tour of Northern America in 1929-30, but the cheque he received in "payment" thereof was dishonoured, and he escaped insolvency only through the generous intervention of Rachmanninoff. |
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Ollie, to be fair, it was I who quoted Richard without the emoticon. It was the wording I sought to remind people of. Oops. In any case - the smiley was there in the post to which A took exception... Mr Grew, we also took exception to smileys for some years but have come to find them quite important for clarification when writing in such a chatty or colloquial context as this. |
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For those who like to know these things, the Satie Sonatine Bureacratique is based on Clementi's opus 36 no. 1.
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« Reply #747 on: 00:16:06, 24-02-2008 » |
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By now we all know each other well enough to know exactly which buttons might need to be pushed in order to wind-up, inflame or otherwise offend certain others, though I'd fervently hoped that we'd all learnt after last time to judge such matters for ourselves and and do the decent thing and pull back on the reins a bit rather than descending to the tit-for-tat posturing that I see here. To a visitor it must look as pathetic and childish as the worst of the pre-pubescents who sometimes infect TOP, and once again I'm receiving messages from other members of the board who are dismayed at this needless strife.
If this thread can't run smoothly without the Mods having to interpose, then the most obvious thing to do would be to lock it: somehow I don't think Mr Grew would stand for such behaviour on the test thread proper, which would be your only place left to continue bickering. I agree with Ollie that message 735 constitutes a direct personal attack, a rather extreme reaction to what seems to have begun as unsubtle ribbing, but I'd far rather see what you can sort out amongst yourselves before wading in in nasty cop mode.
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I have a 12-key clarinet on order as it happens, and have asked for the low register F and Eb keys to be set up as they were on Hermstedt's instrument rather than as they're usually done on Grenser copies. Hermstedt's F key was for L3 and his Eb key for R1 (very important for the slow movement theme in the second Spohr concerto, for example, which moves legato from f' to e'b to c'). Rather like on this Backofen clarinet:  Mr. Sudden, we take it that's a brown and white plastic clarinet? |
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« Reply #749 on: 00:44:14, 24-02-2008 » |
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 Boxwood, ivory and brass in fact on the Backofen. Nowadays for replicas it's usually ivory imitation rather than ivory (although I believe there's a small amount of legal ivory released on the market). But 'modern' clarinets are almost all made from a very dense blackwood called grenadilla (at least for the wooden bits). |
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