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Ron Dough
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« Reply #840 on: 23:05:06, 26-02-2008 »


In what way, Bryn? It was written way before Walton was living on Ischia.

Ah, but his viola concerto is said to have been influenced by Berlioz's Harold in Italy, and the viola concerto predated the First Symphony by some years, did it not. Wink

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« Reply #841 on: 23:16:17, 26-02-2008 »

Come along gentlemen! (Number 148):
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« Reply #842 on: 23:17:54, 26-02-2008 »

It's established that 161 is by Prokofiev but it's not ballet music. And what is happening in 151? It's telling a story (listen to the rocking rhythms and loud horn trill towards the end).
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« Reply #843 on: 23:19:44, 26-02-2008 »

Come along now. What about Puzzles 159 and 165? The former is by one of America's most unjustly neglected composers. She was very highly regarded by her fellow composers.

165 should be known to all. It use to be a regular at the Proms.
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« Reply #844 on: 23:30:37, 26-02-2008 »

Come along gentlemen! (Number 148):


AHA!! No 148 is this...

Maz Reger: 4 Tondichtungen nach Arnold Bocklin, Op. 128 (4 Tone Poems after Arnold Bocklin): III. Der Toteninsel

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« Reply #845 on: 23:31:16, 26-02-2008 »

165 reminds me of a tune by Gershwin, but I don't think it's his piano concerto.
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« Reply #846 on: 23:34:11, 26-02-2008 »

165 reminds me of a tune by Gershwin, but I don't think it's his piano concerto.

Well, I suppose there might be a hint of jazziness there, but Gershwin is not the influence most commonly cited in relation to this work.

Oh, and no, it is not by Gershwin himself, either. Wrong side of the Pond.
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« Reply #847 on: 00:13:00, 27-02-2008 »

Re. Puzzle 165. The composer was infatuated with the pianist it was written for. His love for her was unrequited. His name might suggest a nationality other than his own.
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« Reply #848 on: 00:28:35, 27-02-2008 »

Oh, and no, it is not by Gershwin himself, either. Wrong side of the Pond.

No, please let us not descend to Gherkschwin! He was not and never will be classical.

Re. Puzzle 165. The composer was infatuated with the pianist it was written for. His love for her was unrequited. His name might suggest a nationality other than his own.

The first part suggests Arnold Bax. But his was requited or was it - and does "Bax" really suggest "Bach"? Ah - it could be Lambert.

Anyway here for what they are worth are our vague musings about the outstandings:

142 an Englishman of the fifties - but a not incapable one?
145 frightfully modernistic yet not wholly unattractive - possibly Yun
151 another Englishman of the fifties - not Coates it has been established - "telling a story"
159 some almost pantonalistical piano - not Schoenberg, perhaps Krenek - no, a North American lady - presumably Beach
161 something orchestral and satirical by Procofieff
164 solo trumpet with orchestra - no idea
165 some kind of piano concerto, slightly slushy, perhaps French - "a regular at the Proms"
167 classical mandolin music - no idea
168 orchestral in Romanian style - but could be Hungarian and Kodaly
169 more Russian orchestral? - no idea
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« Reply #849 on: 00:35:36, 27-02-2008 »

Oh, and no, it is not by Gershwin himself, either. Wrong side of the Pond.

No, please let us not descend to Gherkschwin! He was not and never will be classical.

Re. Puzzle 165. The composer was infatuated with the pianist it was written for. His love for her was unrequited. His name might suggest a nationality other than his own.

The first part suggests Arnold Bax. But his was requited or was it - and does "Bax" really suggest "Bach"? Ah - it could be Lambert.

Anyway here for what they are worth are our vague musings about the outstandings:

142 an Englishman of the fifties - but a not incapable one?
145 frightfully modernistic yet not wholly unattractive - possibly Yun
151 another Englishman of the fifties - not Coates it has been established - "telling a story"
159 some almost pantonalistical piano - not Schoenberg, perhaps Krenek - no, a North American lady - presumably Beach
161 something orchestral and satirical by Procofieff
164 solo trumpet with orchestra - no idea
165 some kind of piano concerto, slightly slushy, perhaps French - "a regular at the Proms"
167 classical mandolin music - no idea
168 orchestral in Romanian style - but could be Hungarian and Kodaly
169 more Russian orchestral? - no idea


Way too late and incorrect re, 165. 159 is not by Beach. It is by a far finer composer. As to George Gershwin. He was most definitely a composer in the broad classical camp. Ravel had the wit to recognise his genius.
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« Reply #850 on: 00:37:32, 27-02-2008 »


164 solo trumpet with orchestra - no idea


I do think the points should be awarded to Mr Thompson, who has at least identified the composer and work as Respighi's Pines of Rome, though not as yet the movement.
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« Reply #851 on: 01:08:59, 27-02-2008 »

Re. Puzzle 165. The composer was infatuated with the pianist it was written for. His love for her was unrequited. His name might suggest a nationality other than his own.

Was not Ireland supposed to have been a homosexualist? He is certainly on the list.

I do think the points should be awarded to Mr Thompson, who has at least identified the composer and work as Respighi's Pines of Rome, though not as yet the movement.

Yes sorry we missed that.
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« Reply #852 on: 01:51:13, 27-02-2008 »

Re. Puzzle 165. The composer was infatuated with the pianist it was written for. His love for her was unrequited. His name might suggest a nationality other than his own.

Was not Ireland supposed to have been a homosexualist? He is certainly on the list.

I do think the points should be awarded to Mr Thompson, who has at least identified the composer and work as Respighi's Pines of Rome, though not as yet the movement.

Yes sorry we missed that.


As in most mammals, sexuality in humans is not binary in nature. There is something of a continuum. John Ireland was, by all accounts, infatuated with Ms. Perkin, the concerto's dedicatee and first performer. However, not long after she gave that performance, she took up with a male architect, and soon married him. Not long after that her she withdrew from her role as concert pianist.

Since his last housekeeper, a woman, destroyed many of his documents following his death, the matter of Ireland's sexuality is uncertain to this day. Perhaps he 'swung both ways'? Who knows? Who cares?
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« Reply #853 on: 08:11:06, 27-02-2008 »

Mr Watson begs to clarify a couple of things. Though he is not one to blow his own trumpet, he has solved Bryn's puzzle 165 - Ireland piano concerto, and he has never said that 151 is by an Englishman. In fact, it is not, although the composer is European and well known.
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« Reply #854 on: 08:20:00, 27-02-2008 »

Mr Watson begs to clarify a couple of things. Though he is not one to blow his own trumpet, he has solved Bryn's puzzle 165 - Ireland piano concerto, and he has never said that 151 is by an Englishman. In fact, it is not, although the composer is European and well known.

I am happy to reconfirm Tony's successful solution to the many clues I offered re. Puzzle 165. Unfortunately the adjudicator appears to have been so transfixed by a perceived possibility of a link between the work featured, and that of the great Jewish American composer Jacob Gershvin, that he quite missed Tony's solution, twice.
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