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« Reply #30 on: 15:50:03, 23-04-2008 » |
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We English, that is people who have been born in the are of the UK, known as England, should have a PH on St George's Day. The current Govt blathered about this in their manifesto and then did nothing. Brown is very against England having any separable visible identity from GB, for obvious reasons. Similarly ideas of celebrating Trafalgar Day haven't taken off (and personally, it seems to me like tinkering after the fact). Although there's a small part of (very small, in fact) that would like to see Shakespeare's birthday celebrated (I don't give a stuff about St George, although the Turks are welcome to celebrate him), this is outweighed enormously by my certainty that the party in power will abuse the holiday for its own political ends. It strikes me as particularly fitting that England can celebrate Banking so very frequently in the calendar, yet doesn't have a single public holiday that celebrates cultural achievement. Until last year, Britain couldn't even manage Two Minutes Silence out of the mercantile day to remember its own War Dead on Armistice Day, and shunted them off to the nearest Sunday. Of course War Dead are a very untidy thing, which is probably why our Glorious Leaders haven't attented a single funeral of any of those who've fallen under their orders during the C21st. Probably by 2015 Britain will probably feel able to remember the Battle Of Agincourt without any possibility that aggrieved relations of the dead might attend to spoil things? Shakespeare wrote something about it, apparently, and he's out of copyright - so it can all be done on the cheap as usual. Issue some stamps. Rename a street in Milton Keynes. Have a special McHarryburger month. The usual British approach.
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« Reply #31 on: 15:56:12, 23-04-2008 » |
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The current Govt blathered about this in their manifesto and then did nothing. Brown is very against England having any separable visible identity from GB, for obvious reasons. Similarly ideas of celebrating Trafalgar Day haven't taken off (and personally, it seems to me like tinkering after the fact). Yet it is at his personal instigation that the Cross of St. George is flying alongside the Union Flag in Downing Street today, for the first time in ages, according to the BBC this morning.
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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #32 on: 16:03:31, 23-04-2008 » |
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Yet it is at his personal instigation that the Cross of St. George is flying alongside the Union Flag in Downing Street today, for the first time in ages, according to the BBC this morning.
If the red cross were removed from the flag it would indicate the real reason it's flying there The Devil's Dictionary has some smart-aleck remark about the last resort of a scoundrel, but I'm darned if I can remember it?
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"I was, for several months, mutely in love with a coloratura soprano, who seemed to me to have wafted straight from Paradise to the stage of the Odessa Opera-House" - Leon Trotsky, "My Life"
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« Reply #33 on: 16:31:08, 23-04-2008 » |
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It seems rather typical of Gordon to do that. He's not even English!! No offence Ron Dough.
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« Reply #34 on: 16:52:27, 23-04-2008 » |
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It seems rather typical of Gordon to do that. He's not even English!! No offence Ron Dough.
I don't quite get your point, BBM. Should PM Gordon Brown not be flying the St George Cross flag on St Georges's Day because he is Scottish?
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« Reply #35 on: 18:01:45, 23-04-2008 » |
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It seems rather typical of Gordon to do that. He's not even English!! No offence Ron Dough.
I don't quite get your point, BBM. Should PM Gordon Brown not be flying the St George Cross flag on St Georges's Day because he is Scottish? I'm rather baffled by BBM's remark as well. Here the Town Hall flies the flag of St. George on his day, the rest of the time we fly the Red Dragon of course. The Union Flag is flown on The Queen's birthday and Armistice Day. The Irish have a PH on St. Patrick's day, if England were to have a PH for St. G. then it follows Wales and Scotland should also have PHs as well does it not? I think a lot of English people don't even realise it is St. George's day, certainly very few places (apart from Morley) have any celebrations as far as I can see.
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« Reply #36 on: 18:07:09, 23-04-2008 » |
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I was a keen home-made wine maker (before we had kids) and I well recall following the advice of my little recipe book, to collect dandelion flowers on St George's day for dandelion wine. I also recall the four gallons that I used to make each year were very tasty. I remember too making once a gallon of wine from purple clover flowers, don't remember what was the best day to collect those (the little recipe book is in the depths of my garage in the no-room-in-the-house-for-these-books box. Just looked at our back lawn - about 20 dandelions and a lot more daisies
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« Reply #37 on: 18:17:54, 23-04-2008 » |
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I wonder if Freiburg has a holiday?
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Antheil
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« Reply #38 on: 18:22:11, 23-04-2008 » |
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I have just found this from The Press Association:
"Mr Brown is encouraging all UK Government buildings in England which have two flagpoles to fly the English national flag alongside the Union flag, said the Prime Minister's spokesman
The only recent occasion when the flag of St George has been flown over Number 10 was during the 2006 World Cup, a spokesman said.
He confirmed that, following the completion last month of the consultation on flag-flying, Number 10 will in future fly the Scottish Saltire and the Welsh Dragon on those countries' saint's days. Northern Ireland does not have an official national flag, so the same practice will not apply on St Patrick's Day"
So there is the answer for BBM.
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« Reply #39 on: 19:04:46, 23-04-2008 » |
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Of corse any fule no that Edward the Confessor used to be Englands Patron Saint but he was a bit of a gurlie an went around saying "Hullo sky, hullo clouds, hullo Jesus" and was wot our Choir Master Mr. Phillips called an Insufferable Wet and Too Pious for his Own Good. Mr. Phillips was a good egg.
So the Bishops and wot Mr. Phillips calls The Vicar of Rome thought Goerge was more exciting cos he killed dragons and rescued gurlies rather than reeding his Bible all day with a simple expression on his face and confessing to just about anything going. So they booted Edward out cos George was sexier. (Not sure what Mr. Phillips meant about that) but Mr. P. said it was good for Church finances cos an occasional miracle was thrown in.
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Reality, sa molesworth 2, is so sordid it makes me shudder
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« Reply #40 on: 22:37:24, 23-04-2008 » |
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A Place Called England
"I rode out on a bright May morning Like a hero in a song Looking for a place called England Trying to find where I belong Couldn't find the old flood meadow Or the house that I once knew No trace of the little river Or the garden where I grew
I saw town and I saw country Motorway and sink estate Rich man in his rolling acres Poor man still outside the gate Retail park and burger kingdom Prairie field and factory farm Run by men who think that England's Only a place to park their car
But as the train pulled from the station Through the wastelands of despair From the corner of my eye A brightness filled the filthy air Someone's grown a patch of sunflowers Though the soil is sooty black Marigolds and a few tomatoes Right beside the railway track
Down behind the terraced houses In between the concrete towers Compost heaps and scarlet runners Secret gardens full of flowers Meeta grows the scent of roses Right beneath the big jet's path Bid a fortune for her garden Eileen turns away and laughs
So rise up George and wake up Arthur Time to rouse out from your sleep Deck the horse in the sea-green ribbons Drag the old sword from the deep Hold the line for Dave and Daniel As they tunnel through the clay While the oak in all its glory Soaks up sun for one more day
And come all you at home with freedom Whatever the land that gave you birth There's room for you both root and branch As long as you love the English earth Room for vole and room for orchid Room for all to grow and thrive Just less room for the fat landowner On his arse in his four-wheel drive
England is not flag or Empire It is not money it is not blood It's limestone gorge and granite fell It's Wealden clay and Severn mud It's blackbird singing from the may-tree Lark ascending through the scales Robin watching from your spade And English earth beneath your nails
So here's two cheers for a place called England Badly used but not yet dead A Mr. Harding sort of England Hanging in there by a thread Here's two cheers for the crazy Diggers Now their hour shall come around We can plant the seed they saved us Common wealth and common ground
[Maggie Holland]
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« Reply #41 on: 23:36:27, 23-04-2008 » |
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I do find it odd that we have a patron saint who was a Roman-Anatolian and had nothing to do with our nation. I don't even get that he is particularly English.
Then again, I have been wondering who would be a good patron saint for us, and can't put my finger on Englishness or anyone who feels suitable. I think I am looking for someone who basically lets the world fall apart around him, muttering 'oh dear, what a shame' or 'mustn't grumble', or 'more tea, Vicar?', and then finally pulls their finger out when it seems far too late, to protect a mythical way of living that no one can agree on......
Did St George do that when faced by the dragon?
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« Reply #42 on: 23:43:23, 23-04-2008 » |
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Then again, I have been wondering who would be a good patron saint for us ... Nice knees too.
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« Reply #43 on: 23:45:50, 23-04-2008 » |
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Nice knees too.
Oh yes. Really quite dishy all around.
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The city is a process which always veers away from the form envisaged and desired, ... whose revenge upon its architects and planners undoes every dream of mastery. It is [also] one of the sites where Dasein is assigned the impossible task of putting right what can never be put right. - Rob Lapsley
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« Reply #44 on: 00:00:21, 24-04-2008 » |
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Then again, I have been wondering who would be a good patron saint for us,
May I nominate someone still with us, for future sainthooding? You can even see the beginnings of a halo developing... Though perhaps St Humph and the Trumpet doesn't conjure up quite as dramatic an image as St George and the Dragon.
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