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« Reply #210 on: 22:38:23, 01-06-2008 » |
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Yes, anty, but where is it?
Have you been to Pennant Melangell?
The last Welsh church I saw was St Woolos Cathedral, Newport. Rather sweet, I thought.
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« Reply #211 on: 07:18:22, 02-06-2008 » |
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Yes, anty, but where is it? Have you been to Pennant Melangell? The last Welsh church I saw was St Woolos Cathedral, Newport. Rather sweet, I thought.
Sorry Don B, it's Grosmont, which is on the border with Herefordshire. Only a small village now but it used to be an important place because the castle was part of the chain of three castles (the other two are Whitecastle and Skenfrith) built by the Normans to keep the Welsh at bay. You can see the remains of the castle on the right of this picture and the Church on the left. I'm afraid I haven't been to Pennant Melangell but I have just looked it up, looks well worth a visit.
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« Reply #212 on: 10:38:47, 02-06-2008 » |
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There's something rather special about the atmosphere of the Welsh Marches, about 15 miles either side of the Welsh border, although I haven't been there for years.
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« Reply #213 on: 14:45:33, 02-06-2008 » |
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One of my very favourite Welsh Churches. Definitely one to add to my "must visit when I get a chance" list. Where in Wales? [edit] I see my question has already been answered. Grosmont added to potential itinerary for when I tin again. Soppy? not a bit of it. I think the Stiff-Upper-Lipishness is more an English thing than Welsh.
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« Reply #214 on: 18:58:47, 02-06-2008 » |
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One of my very favourite Welsh Churches. Definitely one to add to my "must visit when I get a chance" list. Where in Wales? [edit] I see my question has already been answered. Grosmont added to potential itinerary for when I tin again. Soppy? not a bit of it. I think the Stiff-Upper-Lipishness is more an English thing than Welsh. Kitty, you would love the Marcher Country. Castles, Churches, scenery and magic. As Don B. says 'special! Another of my all time faves, although I confess I have not been there for a couple of years is Dore Abbey at Abbey Dore in The Golden Valley (d'Or - geddit? - French). Again on the borders, not too far from Hereford. A Cistercian Abbey begun in 1190 founded by the Morimond community (the only one founded in Britain). Dissolved in the Dissolution of course. It's rescuers were the Scudamores in 1630s (again Owain Glyndwr resurfaces!) Dore was famous for their sheep who were exported as far away as Italy and gained top prices for the fleeces btw! Well worth a trip and a place of peace and serenity. Wonderful carvings and after the Scudarmores restored it some wonderful Carolingian features. It was to be shut as a Church in the early 90s but an action committee was formed and it is going from strength to strength. The last photo is of the musicians gallery.
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« Reply #215 on: 21:39:41, 02-06-2008 » |
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Abbey Dore is rather nice because as well as being a nice medieval building, it has fittings of the pre-Civil War catholic Anglican tradition. I am afraid that politically that was not very democratic, but I am so glad to see signs of an appreciation of the symbolic and sacramental aspect of worship at a time when that was often ignored.
PS. I haven't been to the Marches for years and I have never visited Pennant Melangell. I was hoping for a report from Anty. I believe it is a favourite with women priests.
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« Reply #216 on: 22:13:48, 02-06-2008 » |
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Wonderful! Is that your actual West Gallery? (which may have given rise to the expression "face the music"?)
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« Reply #217 on: 22:18:55, 02-06-2008 » |
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I believe Abbey Dore was the church of Sir Roy Strong, one time director of the Victoria and Albert.
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« Reply #218 on: 22:32:22, 02-06-2008 » |
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PS. I haven't been to the Marches for years and I have never visited Pennant Melangell. I was hoping for a report from Anty. I believe it is a favourite with women priests.
Of course Don B, the tale of Prince Brychwel Ysgithrog of Pengwern Powys who in AD 604 whilst hunting in Pennant startled a hare and with his hounds gave chase is rather lovely isn't it? Does that make it a favourite with women priests? Fluffy bunnies hiding beneath hems? Roy Strong? Yes, he did a tv series didn't he and really liked Dore Abbey but did not think much of Hereford Cathedral? Kitty, just imagine those old sackbutt and serpent players up there in the gallery!
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« Reply #219 on: 10:29:16, 03-06-2008 » |
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Of course Don B, the tale of Prince Brychwel Ysgithrog of Pengwern Powys who in AD 604 whilst hunting in Pennant startled a hare and with his hounds gave chase is rather lovely isn't it? Does that make it a favourite with women priests? Fluffy bunnies hiding beneath hems?
I have heard of a number of pilgrimages there with women priests, who regrettably would not be welcome at Walsingham or Holywell. I can imagine Melangal being regarded as a strong, resourceful, gentle, caring, (add other positive female stereotypes) woman standing up to violent, agressive (add negative male stereotypes) patriarchy. And I think that's rather good.
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« Reply #220 on: 10:55:32, 03-06-2008 » |
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Another of my all time faves, although I confess I have not been there for a couple of years is Dore Abbey at Abbey Dore in The Golden Valley (d'Or - geddit? - French). Again on the borders, not too far from Hereford. That's a beautiful photo - I love the softness of the light. Unfortunately I don't have a single photo of Lincoln Cathedral (aka "the local") with me - I must bring some in tomorrow. I've been in Lincoln for about 15 years and only recently has the scaffolding on the front come down revealing the West face in all its shiny new glory. They're now starting work on another section. I suppose it's a bit like painting the Forth bridge. [I initially typed "scoffolding" by accident and I nearly left it ,thinking that it might cause someone amusement on the Glossary thread. My dignity wouldn't let me, unfortunately. scoffolding - ridiculing an inferior support structure.]
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« Reply #221 on: 11:04:25, 03-06-2008 » |
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Let me be the ecclesiastical clever clogs.
The coat of arms at the top left of the picture is a hatchment. They show the coat of arms of a person on a lozenge shape board. It would have been hung outside their house for a time after their death and then transferred to church.
I wouldn't be suprised if the arms were those of the Scudamore family.
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« Reply #222 on: 15:02:03, 03-06-2008 » |
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I should think they may well be the Scudamore arms. There are still Scudamores living both sides of the border. The family played a big part in Herefordshire history and then of course married into the Welsh gentry. Not far from Abbey Dore is another lovely church, medieval this time and quite isolated in position. It's St. Margarets. The beautiful carved rood is very early 1500s. A rather sweet Church which John Betjeman was evidently fond of. The one I really wanted to post was St. Marys at Craswall but I cannot find any pictures.
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« Reply #223 on: 15:24:36, 03-06-2008 » |
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That's lovely, anty. I have been there many years ago. If a church doesn't have full catholic trimmings, then rural churches untouched by the Victorians are the next best thing.
The rood screen is almost unique. Nearly all churches had a screen with a loft in the Middle Ages. In front of the loft was a large crucifix, ie a rood. The roods and the lofts were destroyed by royal edict (Edward VI and Elizabeth, IIRC) and lofts only survive here and at Attleborough in Norfolk.
There was a fragment of the figure of Christ from a rood at Cartmel Priory, which was in Lancshire when I saw it as a schoolboy. It is presumably now in Cumbria.
If you look back you will see I have posted a medieval rood screen from Manaton in Devon and restored screen and loft (late Victorian or Edwardian) at Blisland.
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« Reply #224 on: 18:41:17, 03-06-2008 » |
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If a church doesn't have full catholic trimmings, then rural churches untouched by the Victorians are the next best thing.
Quite agree with you Don B and I am so glad you have been to St. Margarets. I'm sure people who did not know what was inside would just drive by as the exterior is so plain. If you have been there you must have nipped across the border into Wales? Did you see this little gem - Partrishow Church (dedicated to St. Issui). The rood and loft is c.1500 carved from Irish Oak, the font has in inscription of 1055. St. Issui was a hermit and an early Celtic saint. Below the church is a well, and St Issui probably built a cell here. This became a place of pilgrimage after he was murdered by a traveller he gave shelter to because evidently where he fell life giving water sprung up.
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