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Author Topic: The Waffle Thread  (Read 38838 times)
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« Reply #1305 on: 00:11:19, 11-03-2007 »

Well, on a cynical level, I get paid per hour.  Cheesy
I agree re: today's students. The level of skills with which they arrive gets lower every year. When I took A-Levels, we were having aural tests every week and could take 3 part dictation by the end of it, we did Bach chorales to reasonably competent level, and had a grounding in music history from Monteverdi to Stockhausen (a bit sketchy at both ends, but fairly good in the middle). Also, we did keyboard harmony.
Nowadays we're lucky if students can tell if one note is higher than another, that they can read musical notation let alone write it (you wouldn't believe some of the mistakes that we have), and have heard of such an obscure composer as Monteverdi.
That's just the skills part. Each year's intake does, on average, seem less able to take care of themselves (look things up, take notes in the lecture for goodness sake!, experiment) than the last. Where's it all going to lead?
I'm possibly in the wrong thread here.  Embarrassed
We're going to have to either have a foundation year or demand something like Grade 8 theory for applicants in the future as far as I can see. We can't continue to teach the sort of course that we are teaching if the level gets any lower. That way leads to a whole generation of students who can write about (books about) music but can't hear anything.
Oh well, as my supervisor says, not my pig, not my farm.
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« Reply #1306 on: 00:30:43, 11-03-2007 »

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« Reply #1307 on: 00:36:42, 11-03-2007 »

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« Reply #1308 on: 00:49:54, 11-03-2007 »

Harmonyharmony - how about we have another thread about music and music teaching in universities, in another board, as quite a few of us are involved with this?
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« Reply #1309 on: 09:22:30, 11-03-2007 »

Did you start a new thread or not? I can not find it.
I think it is surprising to me that students can not write dictations now. We were drilled and drilled with melodies and then two and three parts (three parts were not much). Also we had to name a progression of chords in music school (easier) and in college and conservatory.
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« Reply #1310 on: 10:57:01, 11-03-2007 »

Harmonyharmony - how about we have another thread about music and music teaching in universities, in another board, as quite a few of us are involved with this?

Well, you can at least talk about it here:

The Radio 3 Boards > The Music Boards > Making Music

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« Reply #1311 on: 12:42:47, 11-03-2007 »

I've started a new thread:

The Radio 3 Boards > The Music Boards > Making Music > Music in Universities
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« Reply #1312 on: 12:53:06, 11-03-2007 »

Harmonyharmony - how about we have another thread about music and music teaching in universities, in another board, as quite a few of us are involved with this?
It's all a bit depressing really...
I've started a new thread:

The Radio 3 Boards > The Music Boards > Making Music > Music in Universities
I'll contribute to the thread during the week. It feels like it's been a bit all go this week and it's nice to have a bit of a break over the weekend!
Not been feeling too good both last night and this morning - wobbly legs, slight headache, tired and irritable. Could just be lack of regular and sufficient sleep, or just a bug.
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« Reply #1313 on: 13:02:43, 11-03-2007 »

h-h - hope you feel better soon.  Loads of "bugs" about at the moment - well in this area anyway.  So many people ill.  There's two sorts here - one a fluey-type and the other a gastric one.  We've had the fluey one but hopefully have escaped the other.


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« Reply #1314 on: 14:58:28, 11-03-2007 »

Thanks Milly.
I'm going to attempt to get some work done now.
Time for another cup of tear (uncharacteristically my third).
Still feel a bit wobbly and useless.
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« Reply #1315 on: 15:10:12, 11-03-2007 »

Time for another cup of tear (uncharacteristically my third).


hh, Freudian, this slip? Get well.  Smiley
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« Reply #1316 on: 00:09:35, 12-03-2007 »

Tomorrow is another day.
Performing in the evening on a MaxMSP patch that I haven't written yet.
Night all.
Flights of angels and all that.
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« Reply #1317 on: 00:33:00, 13-03-2007 »

Alas poor waffles.
We appear to be undone (or coming apart at the seams or sommat).
Where is everyone? Anna's foresaken these climes for elsewhere, but there doesn't seem to be an active waffle thread anywhere!
Is this it?
Sad if true.
I was hoping for a new film as I wistfully washed my dishes last night...

Anyway, I am to bed now.
Good night.

PS just looked at tOP (Breakfast division) and there does seem to be a waffle thread sprouting amongst the ashes. Rumours of demise etc. Apologies for premature obits.
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« Reply #1318 on: 00:43:56, 13-03-2007 »

At least you can post these waffles after midnight. In TOP, no one is around at this time.
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« Reply #1319 on: 01:00:03, 13-03-2007 »

Oliver Sudden!

Can I be the first to wish you a happy birthday?  Cheesy (I'd add some bells and whistles at this point if I knew where to find them.)  Tongue
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