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Milly Jones
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« Reply #180 on: 19:59:38, 27-05-2008 »

Sidonie has struck again!  It must have been while we were having tea.  All that's left is a pile of feathers and a tiny little beak.  Cry Cry Cry
She probably looked through the window and  Cry Cry Cry at the sight of that poor dead salmon on your tea table! Wink

OH STOPPIT EVERYBODY!!!! I feel terrible now!  In fact I've got indigestion.... Cry
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« Reply #181 on: 20:08:12, 27-05-2008 »

P.S.  She might have cried at the sight of the poor dead salmon - but at least it was dead already.
Sidonie holds the prey down with her talons stuck in its body, plucks it first, gouges out the eyes, then tears pieces off whilst it lies there helplessly and screams in pain.  I know this from several abortive attempts at rescue and one successful one - but I really shouldn't have  - as it was too far down the line.  I ended up with a dreadfully injured pigeon with one eye, half of its feathers missing, huge wounds in its body - staggering round my garden for ages until finally it gave up and died.  There was nothing I could do for it and I know I should have put it out of its misery, but I'm always afraid of not doing the job properly and injuring it further.  It staggered up to the fountain and managed to have a drink before going behind a bush to die.  It's just so awful watching something being ripped to bits and dying by inches whilst making the most heart-rending noises.

I hate nature.  Cry
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« Reply #182 on: 20:20:50, 27-05-2008 »

Sidonie has struck again!  It must have been while we were having tea.  All that's left is a pile of feathers and a tiny little beak.  Cry Cry Cry
She probably looked through the window and  Cry Cry Cry at the sight of that poor dead salmon on your tea table! Wink

OH STOPPIT EVERYBODY!!!! I feel terrible now!  In fact I've got indigestion.... Cry
Sorry Milly. Couldn't resist a bit of a tease.

I doubt that the poor sparrow would have even been aware of the sparrowhawk coming - it was probably killed very quickly*. You can have a go at me for having cats if you like - though their victims are usually mice. However, Katie did have a tiny dead baby bird in her mouth earlier Cry but as it didn't have feathers yet I think it must have fallen from its nest. She'd only just gone out and I don't think she'd been up a tree. The bluetits always nest in the nest-box but she doesn't attempt to get near that.

One of the kids just called me to look at the lawn - a large fox was trotting very daintily round the garden but sadly for him/her I hadn't thrown out any leftovers or apples as I sometimes do. Plenty of mice around for the foxes to catch but I do wonder how a creature that size manages to find enough food to survive. No wild rabbits round here.

*Oh dear, just read your PS.  Cry Cry Cry
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« Reply #183 on: 21:58:28, 27-05-2008 »

Red in tooth and claw... Probably won't help, but as D.H. Lawrence put it -

"I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself."
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« Reply #184 on: 07:46:42, 28-05-2008 »

They certainly sound as though they feel sorry for themselves.  Cry

As you say, red in tooth and claw.  The birds of prey have to eat as well and they have to feed their young.  I just wished they killed it instantly first.  I can't watch nature programmes where you see big cats bringing down their prey either.  I accept that it has to happen and why - I just can't bear seeing anything suffer.

The sparrows are all back this morning after deserting the garden initially after the event.  It was deathly quiet for ages.  Now they seem to be ignoring the scattered rain-soaked feathers on the lawn.  Perhaps they don't realise?  Or perhaps it's more that the need for food is greater than their fear of surprise attack. 

More likely, following on from Olly's concept - they just don't think of it at all.  There is no past and no future - only the present.
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« Reply #185 on: 08:31:16, 28-05-2008 »



More likely, following on from Olly's concept - they just don't think of it at all.  There is no past and no future - only the present.

That must simplify life quite a lot.

Those feathers would mean nothing to the birds, because they aren't alive. When one of my cats was killed on the main road, we thought we should show him to his twin brother, just to tell him he was dead. Twin cat took no interest at all in the dead cat, clearly didn't even recognise him. I never forget that, it was a lesson in how unimportant the body is - the real person (or cat!) is the not the physical form.
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« Reply #186 on: 09:02:22, 28-05-2008 »

Thanks Mary.  It's a difficult concept for me because they obviously have a survival instinct, so must in some way know that if they don't get out of the way they're going to die.  They must understand the danger aspect or they'd be tame.  My boyfriend says he thinks they have an understanding of fight or flight but that their only understanding of death is that suddenly everything goes black.
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« Reply #187 on: 09:30:01, 28-05-2008 »



As you say, red in tooth and claw.  The birds of prey have to eat as well and they have to feed their young.  I just wished they killed it instantly first.  I can't watch nature programmes where you see big cats bringing down their prey either.  I accept that it has to happen and why - I just can't bear seeing anything suffer.


I feel the same Milly, but if you think of it the birds of prey have only beak and claws to do the job, I doubt they could kill instantly.
I hate to see anything killed, I was always considered slightly odd in my job as a teacher ( well for other reasons too really!!!!) as I wouldn't allow insects of any description to be killed in my classroom... including wasps. The system was that the student would put up a hand and say loudly 'Wasp' and I would come and sort it out. The funny bit was that I often had the fire exit open in summer for ventilation and I used to say to the wasp , very loudly , 'Out' and point at the door. Many times it used to just fly out !!!!!

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« Reply #188 on: 20:08:24, 30-05-2008 »

Mr Yellowhammer - the new kid on the block- brought along his missus this morning....she very pretty, but not as striking as him.

They sat in the plum tree near the feeders, then flew down and fed on the ground below.

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« Reply #189 on: 23:07:11, 30-05-2008 »

On the subject of birds of prey, here's one I snapped from a moving car a couple of years ago (it's OK, I wasn't driving) on a B road the other side of Dundee  - the River Tay is just a short way beyond the railway line. I think it's a harrier, but if anyone can come up with an alternative I'd be very interested to hear it. If you look up towards the top right hand corner, its mate seems to be hovering.

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« Reply #190 on: 23:10:23, 30-05-2008 »

Fabulous picture Ron!!!!

I think it is a harrier but I am not brilliant on birds of prey. I know what it isn't!!!!

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« Reply #191 on: 08:25:11, 31-05-2008 »

Great photo, Ron. Those ones taken from a moving car can be quite tricky.




I'd vote for male hen harrier (and friend) too. 
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« Reply #192 on: 13:36:50, 31-05-2008 »

Yep, Hen Harrier.  Black wingtips and white coat with brown shoulders is a Male Hen Harrier.  They should be just about nesting by now - a nest on the ground in Heather perhaps.  Is it marshy round where you are?

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« Reply #193 on: 16:15:29, 31-05-2008 »

There was a song thrush in my pear tree today. It sat very, very still for what seemed like a very long time. I was delighted to see it, hadn't seen one for quite a while, and they used to be as common as blackbirds. It must have noticed the huge number of snails in the garden. Glad they're of use to someone. (Can a bird be someone? You know what I mean.)

Ooh, it's now walking about outside the window Grin
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« Reply #194 on: 16:51:30, 31-05-2008 »


Ooh, it's now walking about outside the window Grin

Is that the snail Mary? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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