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« on: 11:37:39, 09-07-2008 » |
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Thanks to strina, tinners and martle for their good sense. Several on this board know who I am, which is fine, but otherwise I'm happy to be semi-anonymous. I'd never used an internet forum before TOP and was likewise cautious. I started off with sensemaya (title of a work by Revueltas) and quickly found it clumsy. I have no memory whatsoever of why I chose autoharp. I did once by chance discover a couple of severly out-of-tune autoharps in a cupboard: very suitable they were for a piece I was rehearsing at the time (John White's PT Machine). That remains my only encounter with these wonderful instruments. I certainly feel less inclined to give respect towards those who do use pseudonyms Thanks, Ian! We all needed to know that! The only place where I don't use my real name is on dating/sexual sites (though usually give it to people reasonably early when I've chatted to them a bit) - but that is a different matter, I believe, mostly because some people might be fishing for dirt; furthermore, they are private places for people to make contact, not arenas for airing thoughts, opinions, information in public.
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Ian Pace
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« Reply #1 on: 11:45:36, 09-07-2008 » |
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If this were an industry forum he might have a point; but it’s not – it’s open to anyone with any level of interest or knowledge. In theory, yes, but in practice it has become at least in part an industry forum, with a large number of people posting here who are professionally involved in music in one or other capacity, using the relative anonymity of pseudonyms to say things they wouldn't dare say in other contexts. Furthermore, it produces this rather pathetic situation where those 'in the know' as to who various people really are can thus have their private cliques - with some even impersonating members of the other gender in the knowledge that they are likely to be treated differently until their identities are ultimately revealed. And, in response to autoharp's point, if people's opinions here are sufficiently half-formed, etc., that they aren't prepared to put their real name to them, why should they be accorded any particular weight by those who read them? I think many of you are simply cowards, whatever other reasons are given. |
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« Last Edit: 11:51:00, 09-07-2008 by Ian Pace »
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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Ian Pace
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« Reply #2 on: 11:49:38, 09-07-2008 » |
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Quite apart from the security aspects already raised by several members, it might be worth remembering that this is, after all, primarily a social site: perhaps the use of pseudonyms supplies a frisson analogous to that experienced at a masked ball....
Or akin to that amongst agents of various security services, or SAS men, or whoever. |
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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« Reply #3 on: 11:53:23, 09-07-2008 » |
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Quite apart from the security aspects already raised by several members, it might be worth remembering that this is, after all, primarily a social site: perhaps the use of pseudonyms supplies a frisson analogous to that experienced at a masked ball....
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autoharp
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« Reply #4 on: 11:58:37, 09-07-2008 » |
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If this were an industry forum he might have a point; but it’s not – it’s open to anyone with any level of interest or knowledge. In theory, yes, but in practice it has become at least in part an industry forum, with a large number of people posting here who are professionally involved in music in one or other capacity, using the relative anonymity of pseudonyms to say things they wouldn't dare say in other contexts. Furthermore, it produces this rather pathetic situation where those 'in the know' as to who various people really are can thus have their private cliques - with some even impersonating members of the other gender in the knowledge that they are likely to be treated differently until their identities are ultimately revealed. And, in response to autoharp's point, if people's opinions here are sufficiently half-formed, etc., that they aren't prepared to put their real name to them, why should they be accorded any particular weight by those who read them? I think many of you are simply cowards, whatever other reasons are given. So why do you post here? |
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Ian Pace
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« Reply #5 on: 12:02:25, 09-07-2008 » |
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So why do you post here? There are various people who's thoughts on various matters interest me - by no means necessarily or primarily those who are professionally involved (in many cases of which I know their opinions, which sometimes differ from those they put forward here). It is to those who are professionally involved that my comments are primarily addressed. Why do you, autoharp, expect your own views to be treated with respect - those on music and musicians - if you daren't even sign your name to them, or at least put your real name in your profile? |
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« Reply #6 on: 12:08:59, 09-07-2008 » |
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I had unwanted people getting in touch Exactly. You only need one experience with a semi-stalker (or worse) to make you very cautious indeed. |
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"Two wrongs don't make a right. But three rights do make a left." - Rohan Candappa
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« Reply #7 on: 12:09:40, 09-07-2008 » |
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If this were an industry forum he might have a point; but it’s not – it’s open to anyone with any level of interest or knowledge. In theory, yes, but in practice it has become at least in part an industry forum, I don't get that impression at all, Ian. This forum was never, afaik, intended to be exclusive and, since its foundation, it's always been more welcoming and less clique-ridden even than the R3 boards. If you want a forum where people need a verifiable CV and have to pass an exam to register, I'm sure you can find or form one. And, in response to autoharp's point, if people's opinions here are sufficiently half-formed, etc., that they aren't prepared to put their real name to them, why should they be accorded any particular weight by those who read them?
Surely they should be treated with the respect they deserve and if that isn't much, so be it. Speaking for myself, I'm usually more interested in learning something from the responses to my posts than in being mistaken for an authority! I think many of you are simply cowards, whatever other reasons are given.
And I would give a comment like that the consideration I think it's due. |
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« Reply #8 on: 12:11:51, 09-07-2008 » |
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I would suggest that members of an essentially social site like r3ok gain respect by the way that they interact with others, even if they do this anonymously, rather than by the rigour of their arguments.
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Ian Pace
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« Reply #9 on: 12:20:44, 09-07-2008 » |
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I would suggest that members of an essentially social site like r3ok gain respect by the way that they interact with others, even if they do this anonymously, rather than by the rigour of their arguments.
That which involves non-human contact from behind pseudonyms is far from being 'an essentially social site', at least as far as social interaction in real life is concerned. People can write all sorts of things from behind the safety of a pseudonym, that many wouldn't dare put their name to or express in person. |
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« Reply #10 on: 12:22:15, 09-07-2008 » |
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I had unwanted people getting in touch Exactly. You only need one experience with a semi-stalker (or worse) to make you very cautious indeed. I can appreciate that for those whose names are not publicly known, but for those whose names are relatively public anyhow, there's no real reason why a stalker couldn't equally find their name through any other means. |
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« Reply #11 on: 12:24:25, 09-07-2008 » |
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I don't get that impression at all, Ian. This forum was never, afaik, intended to be exclusive and, since its foundation, it's always been more welcoming and less clique-ridden even than the R3 boards. There are plenty of people who would dispute that. I've never come across a messageboard that isn't clique-ridden to a fair extent. If you want a forum where people need a verifiable CV and have to pass an exam to register, I'm sure you can find or form one. That's a totally different point which is in no sense implied. |
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« Reply #12 on: 12:28:36, 09-07-2008 » |
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So why do you post here? It is to those who are professionally involved that my comments are primarily addressed. Why do you, autoharp, expect your own views to be treated with respect - those on music and musicians - if you daren't even sign your name to them, or at least put your real name in your profile? My comments are addressed to those who may be interested in reading them, whether or not they are professionally involved. As I've already stated, there are several on this board who know who I am (and that includes just about everyone who's sent me a PM) and that's fine. Not daring to admit who I am is a notion you've invented. Over half this board's members use pseudonyms or incomplete names. Clearly you hold them all in contempt. I suspect others beside myself find your attitude arrogant and egotistical. |
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« Reply #13 on: 12:30:56, 09-07-2008 » |
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Over half this board's members use pseudonyms or incomplete names. Clearly you hold them all in contempt. I suspect others beside myself find your attitude arrogant and egotistical. Do you really think I'm the only person who has a low opinion of the use of pseudonyms on messageboards? Or that the view of the tiny subculture represented by this board is more important than anything else? This is a board made up of primarily middle class Britons (with a few exceptions) whose primary musical interest is classical - those factors bring with them a plethora of ideological assumptions, which are actually very marginal in a wider context. |
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« Reply #14 on: 12:38:49, 09-07-2008 » |
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Over half this board's members use pseudonyms or incomplete names. Clearly you hold them all in contempt. I suspect others beside myself find your attitude arrogant and egotistical. Do you really think I'm the only person who has a low opinion of the use of pseudonyms on messageboards? Or that the view of the tiny subculture represented by this board is more important than anything else? This is a board made up of primarily middle class Britons (with a few exceptions) whose primary musical interest is classical - those factors bring with them a plethora of ideological assumptions, which are actually very marginal in a wider context. Irrelevant answer. The point of contention is your objectionable attitude towards those on this board who use pseudonyms. |
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