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Author Topic: Re: Anonymity/Pseudonyms on MBs  (Read 1260 times)
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« Reply #30 on: 13:39:37, 09-07-2008 »

As others have said, those who know me well enough to p-m me know my real identity, but I wouldn't feel comfortable about being 'outed' to the world at large, even though its unlikely (read: impossible) that anyone I complain about would be reading these boards.
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I'm with you there, S_K, insofar as I would be far more concerned about a small minority of people in the 'real world' finding me on any of the boards to which I contribute than about board members finding out who I really am.   The consequences of their taking something I post here out of context and either being offended themselves or quoting me out of context are not worth the risk.  Access to, and distribution of, the content of public messageboards is extremely easy.  It's really not like other discussion fora where someone out to cause mischief, or merely deluded, would have to make a serious effort to get involved - and an impossibly serious effort to get third parties involved.  We can come and go as we please, which has many advantages but also means anyone else can come and go as they please.  I don't know about here but on the BBC boards it's possible to get someone's post removed without even registering.   
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« Reply #31 on: 13:40:10, 09-07-2008 »

I've never expected any coments I've made to be given any particular weight because of who I am (or actually for any other reason Cheesy). But the suggestion that opinions should be accorded special weight because of the authority of the person making them seems a rather un-Ian Pace thing to say.    
No, I'm not referring to the authority of the person concerned, actually thinking more negatively, in terms of the fact that their own personal stake in the matters concerned might lead some to interpret what they say differently.
Ah, understood. I would have to agree that does sound more Pace-like Cheesy.


You'll note that I would never name a student.
Not wishing to labour the point, I was merely saying that the student was identifiable (it took me four minutes).  
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« Reply #32 on: 13:51:36, 09-07-2008 »

I've posted on lots of messageboards, musical and others, and try to use my real, full name wherever possible (I changed to simply IanP on M&S, but it's obvious who I am - may change that back). I would ask why various people feel the need to hide behind pseudonyms - if they have something to say, why can't they put their real name to it (I certainly feel less inclined to give respect towards those who do use pseudonyms)? The only place where I don't use my real name is on dating/sexual sites (though usually give it to people reasonably early when I've chatted to them a bit) - but that is a different matter, I believe, mostly because some people might be fishing for dirt; furthermore, they are private places for people to make contact, not arenas for airing thoughts, opinions, information in public.

Having myself been recently declared a 'snob', I find it difficult (in the present context) to know which is the more snobbish: a) to complain that people are not using their real names because they choose not to, or b) [with regard to the startling and unnecessary information given in the latter half of the above] to assert that people may nonetheless use pseudonyms 'out of necessity' whenever it suits them, even though they 'should not' do so out of choice also when it suits them.

My name is BAZ - I say what I say when I want to - when challenged I like to defend what I say where I can. I am not 'hiding behind' the name, but merely using it!

Baz

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« Reply #33 on: 13:52:21, 09-07-2008 »

I really cannot figure out for the life of me what all this fuss about pseudonym use on this forum is all about, let alone the acrimonious exchanges that this matter has now generated. Ian - you choose to identify yourself as "Ian Pace"; my own forum ID, whilst not quite as informative as yours, makes it pretty obvious who I am. That is your prerogative and mine, just as it is that of others to adopt pseudonymous IDs on this and other fora; I have no reason to assume other than that decisions to use pseudonyms are in the main acts of choice, not cowardice.
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« Reply #34 on: 14:01:37, 09-07-2008 »

But I choose to do so under a pseudonym because I want to make it absolutely clear to everyone, whether they actually know who I am or not, and including not least myself, that those kernels or semi-formed ideas are not necessarily what I'm about as a performer - or, maybe more importantly, as a rehearser.  I think that choice ought to be given, if not respect, at least a lack of contempt.

I agree wholeheartedly - and it's even more important for those like me whose professional profile and reputation (such as it is, but it does involve a small body of published work) is in a field that has nothing whatsoever to do with music. It's a personal judgement, of course, but I'd like to keep what perfect wagnerite writes here completely separate from what I do professionally.  I'd call it discretion rather than cowardice.
I do understand that, as you are not professionally involved in music, pw, but if this was a board dedicated to your own field, and in which a lot of comments were being made about others in that field, by others who work in that field, would you feel the same way?

To be honest, I can't imagine it happening - I work in a relatively obscure technical field in which there are not many participants, who mostly know one another and recognise each others views and positions.  As in any professional community, there is gossip and there are rivalries and there are certainly one or two people you wouldn't seat at the same table at a conference dinner.  But anonymity is not an option, even in the unlikely event that we were to set up a message board.  

I think the difference is that, in the wider world, nobody much is going to pursue my field as an interest unless they are professionally involved - which is completely different from what happens on these boards (which themselves grew out of a clumsy decision by the people who run TOP to restrict the discussions there).
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« Reply #35 on: 14:06:32, 09-07-2008 »


My message board name is A , the first letter of my name. Over the last 2 years I have used 3 names, married/maiden and new married name so it is in fact the only consistency in my life at the moment.

I think if I used my complete first name it would not identify me anyway as there are thousands of us!

Get a life some of you !!!

A
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« Reply #36 on: 14:14:41, 09-07-2008 »

The Naming of Cats is a difficult matter,
   It isn't just one of your holiday games;
 You may think at first I'm as mad as a hatter
 When I tell you, a cat must have THREE DIFFERENT NAMES.
 First of all, there's the name that the family use daily,
   Such as Peter, Augustus, Alonzo or James,
 Such as Victor or Jonathan, or George or Bill Bailey -
   All of them sensible everyday names.
 There are fancier names if you think they sound sweeter,
   Some for the gentlemen, some for the dames:
 Such as Plato, Admetus, Electra, Demeter -
   But all of them sensible everyday names.
 But I tell you, a cat needs a name that's particular,
   A name that's peculiar, and more dignified,
 Else how can he keep up his tail perpendicular,
   Or spread out his whiskers, or cherish his pride?
 Of names of this kind, I can give you a quorum,
   Such as Munkustrap, Quaxo, or Coricopat,
 Such as Bombalurina, or else Jellylorum -
   Names that never belong to more than one cat.
 But above and beyond there's still one name left over,
   And that is the name that you never will guess;
 The name that no human research can discover -
   But THE CAT HIMSELF KNOWS, and will never confess.
 When you notice a cat in profound meditation,
   The reason, I tell you, is always the same:
 His mind is engaged in a rapt contemplation
   Of the thought, of the thought, of the thought of his name:
     His ineffable effable
     Effanineffable
 Deep and inscrutable singular Name.
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« Reply #37 on: 14:37:19, 09-07-2008 »

Over half this board's members use pseudonyms or incomplete names. Clearly you hold them all in contempt. I suspect others beside myself find your attitude arrogant and egotistical.
Do you really think I'm the only person who has a low opinion of the use of pseudonyms on messageboards? Or that the view of the tiny subculture represented by this board is more important than anything else? This is a board made up of primarily middle class Britons (with a few exceptions) whose primary musical interest is classical - those factors bring with them a plethora of ideological assumptions, which are actually very marginal in a wider context.

Irrelevant answer. The point of contention is your objectionable attitude towards those on this board who use pseudonyms.
And you think that to have any opinion on the use of pseudonyms, one that is not shared by the majority of posters, is de facto 'arrogant and egotistical', then? For one who claims to be on the left, you seem very set on enforced conformity within the context of some very small and utterly unrepresentative subset of people.

Irrelevant answer. Same reason as before.

My objection to what you have posted is perfectly clear and is to do with your superior attitude towards others on this board: that is what is arrogant and egotistical.
Once again, the point remains - if one has a different attitude to the majority concerning the use of pseudonyms, why is that 'superior' or 'arrogant and egotistical'. You could equally say that of any attitude that differs to the majority - for example if disdaining the view of racists when amongst them, even if one is in the minority (by no means an unusual situation, for many - certainly one friend of mine is forever being labelled that in amongst a number of her largely [edit: silly party]-supporting relatives).

And as I also mentioned earlier, the use of pseudonyms is by far the major reason why I lot of people I have suggested post at either this forum or others would refrain from doing so. Presumably they are all superior, arrogant and egotistical as well.
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« Reply #38 on: 14:38:57, 09-07-2008 »

You'll note that I would never name a student.
Not wishing to labour the point, I was merely saying that the student was identifiable (it took me four minutes).  
I'm not sure which case you are talking about (might be better to message privately about that).
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
Don Basilio
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« Reply #39 on: 14:45:49, 09-07-2008 »

When I hesitatingly joined the BBC 3 board it asked me to use a pseudonym, presumably to keep me safe from stalkers and blackmailers.  In 30 seconds I thought of the campest character in opera to my mind, Don Basilio in Mozart.  Afterwards I realised he was also a priest, which pleased me.  I am not a bitchy and gossipy old thing, really (I have been called a figure of stern authority lurking in the ecclesiastical shadows,) but it is a part of my personality and I think if I acknowledge it, then it is a side of me that will not slip out when not expected.

The model of a chatroom is surely not a peer reviewed academic journal, but a party.  I was never comfortable at parties, and never knew what to say.  I thought I was a perpetual gooseberry.  Having a pseudonym here allowed me to be much more open about myself and my opinions.  And indeed clarify my opinions on many things since I did not have many people at all to discuss issues that are important to me.

I have been to several meet-ups and met many regulars.  Some people are happy to use their pseudonym there, and if that's what makes them comfortable, fine.  I certainly NEVER want to be called Don, and I always introduce myself by the name on my passport.

Using the actual names could well make the whole thing look even clique-ier to newcomers.

Middle class, maybe, but middle class drop outs, for the most part.
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« Reply #40 on: 14:49:36, 09-07-2008 »

The best thing about anonymity is that it allows people to come up with all sorts of spurious excuses (for anonymity) without running the risk of being personally associated with those excuses.  Grin
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« Reply #41 on: 14:58:31, 09-07-2008 »


I would have thought that as this is a free country there is no reason to tell everyone your real name... as if it matters.

I have no interest at all in who people really are, it is what they say on THESE boards that interests me.

No-one is interested in what I do or have done musically so why should I care if there are people on the boards who are so constantly full of what they do in real life - and want to be identified .( Not that I had heard of any of these people anyway )

A

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« Reply #42 on: 15:03:49, 09-07-2008 »

The best thing about anonymity is that it allows people to come up with all sorts of spurious excuses (for anonymity) without running the risk of being personally associated with those excuses.  Grin

But there may be another side of the coin Ian - some other people may feel themselves to be just too important for everyone else to be permitted not to know who they really are. Indeed it should not be a surprise when such people occasionally go out of their way to remind us! We should also not be too shocked to note that their proclaimed "modesty" in doing this expresses itself by an attack upon those who choose to remain anonymous and thus appear to be "cowards".

Baz
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« Reply #43 on: 15:08:15, 09-07-2008 »


(Not that I had heard of any of these people anyway )


You are not alone in that, A

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« Reply #44 on: 15:09:17, 09-07-2008 »

Whether I post as Anna Jones or Anna Daptor it still might not be my real name.

I don't use my real name because a) I live in a small town and b) I am the only person with that surname who lives in this town.  I did, years back, when I first joined a message board use my real name and it resulted in a stalker.  Therefore I use a pseudonym for security reasons.  
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