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I have no interest at all in who people really are, it is what they say on THESE boards that interests me. Real people are real people, messageboard personae something else. I don't see why artificial personae should be granted the humanising respect that should be accorded to real people. I'm happy to treat you as nothing more than a letter that posts on a board, if that's what you want, totally unconcerned with who you are outside of the boards. Yet so many want to talk about their daily goings-on, much more than talk about music..... |
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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I have no interest at all in who people really are, it is what they say on THESE boards that interests me. Real people are real people, messageboard personae something else. I don't see why artificial personae should be granted the humanising respect that should be accorded to real people. I'm happy to treat you as nothing more than a letter that posts on a board, if that's what you want. I didn't know you were an essentialist, Ian. |
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To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven.
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I have no interest at all in who people really are, it is what they say on THESE boards that interests me. Real people are real people, messageboard personae something else. I don't see why artificial personae should be granted the humanising respect that should be accorded to real people. I'm happy to treat you as nothing more than a letter that posts on a board, if that's what you want. I didn't know you were an essentialist, Ian.  - not sure how that follows, though |
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I have no interest at all in who people really are, it is what they say on THESE boards that interests me. Real people are real people, messageboard personae something else. I don't see why artificial personae should be granted the humanising respect that should be accorded to real people. I'm happy to treat you as nothing more than a letter that posts on a board, if that's what you want, totally unconcerned with who you are outside of the boards. Yet so many want to talk about their daily goings-on, much more than talk about music..... Ok, so my real name is Anna Simpson. Does that make me a person? Do you know , I feel just the same... strange isn't it? What an incredibly pompous remark that was Ian. Anna |
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Well, there you are.
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« Reply #49 on: 15:31:45, 09-07-2008 » |
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Enough, dear people. This thread is going nowhere at the moment but is in danger of heading off to unpleasant places.
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I've got to get down to Sidcup.
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Real people are real people, messageboard personae something else. I don't see why artificial personae should be granted the humanising respect that should be accorded to real people. I'm happy to treat you as nothing more than a letter that posts on a board, if that's what you want....
Thanks for this advice Ian - so essential that I have now amended my signature so as to reflect it. Baz |
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I have no interest at all in who people really are, it is what they say on THESE boards that interests me. Real people are real people, messageboard personae something else. I don't see why artificial personae should be granted the humanising respect that should be accorded to real people. I'm happy to treat you as nothing more than a letter that posts on a board, if that's what you want. I didn't know you were an essentialist, Ian. - not sure how that follows, though Just seen Ted. Good advice. I won't say anything, as Ian' understanding of semiotics far outshines mine. |
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I have no interest at all in who people really are, it is what they say on THESE boards that interests me. Real people are real people, messageboard personae something else. I don't see why artificial personae should be granted the humanising respect that should be accorded to real people. I'm happy to treat you as nothing more than a letter that posts on a board, if that's what you want, totally unconcerned with who you are outside of the boards. Yet so many want to talk about their daily goings-on, much more than talk about music..... Ok, so my real name is Anna Simpson. Does that make me a person? Do you know , I feel just the same... strange isn't it? What an incredibly pompous remark that was Ian. I don't recall you being less than eager to point out that you were a violinist when making blanket dismissive claims about a lot of contemporary violin writing, presumably drawing in what you do/have done outside of this board. There is much else that comes into play, most of the time, when posting here. Incidentally, looking up something on online identity suggested that neither MySpace nor Facebook allow pseudonyms. This seems strange - I certainly know people using other names on there, and besides, for sites so huge, how would the owners know (some pseudonyms just look like normal names)? Tommo's suggestion of having the stuff on the use of pseudonyms per se moved to another thread does seem sensible, by the way. |
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« Reply #53 on: 15:37:32, 09-07-2008 » |
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moderators / administrators
Sorry to cause more work, but would it possible to strip out appropriate answers under a thread entitled "Anonymity/Pseudonymity Discussion" to be placed in the Welcome section?
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edit: addition of "/Psuedonymity"
Mods/Admin Can I echo Tommo's posting and Ted's remark - can you split this thread into How did you choose your MB name and a separate Anonymity/Pseudonymity thread or else hive it off to the Argument Room? |
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Reality, sa molesworth 2, is so sordid it makes me shudder
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« Reply #54 on: 15:42:24, 09-07-2008 » |
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I agree - and it's so sad how one single troll can so upset what was intended to be (and was treated by everyone else as) an amusing piece of chit-chat.
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« Reply #55 on: 15:44:25, 09-07-2008 » |
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I agree - and it's so sad how one single troll can so upset what was intended to be (and was treated by everyone else as) an amusing piece of chit-chat. It's not trollery, it's a serious point - I wonder whether you'd feel so ready to make your comments in public about contemporary music (and about real individuals involved with it), about politics and music, or about the situation with ethnic minorities in Britain if they were attached to your real name? |
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« Reply #56 on: 15:46:04, 09-07-2008 » |
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"People hate anything well made. It gives them a guilty conscience." John Betjeman
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« Reply #57 on: 15:49:10, 09-07-2008 » |
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Well, myspace and facebook have a vested interest in gaining as much (genuine) information about one's identity as possible in order to sell it on to advertisers (or pass information on to the CIA). Don't know how they monitor it, but I'm not surprised it's a stated policy.
I think almost everyone creates personae in every aspect of their lives to some extent, regardless of what name you use. I'm sure I behave differently in the States than I do here. I'm different with friends whom I've known since childhood than with people I've got to know more recently. I don't talk to my parents the same way I talk to my boyfriend. I'm different when I'm leading an orchestra than when I'm playing in a section. And chatting here probably brings out other sides of me. I don't think one can assume anyone is dishonest because they use a soubriquet - nor can one assume someone is honest because they use their real name. One has to use one's judgement, as in any aspect of life.
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Oh dear, it's getting ugly. Just as well I have to be off. It's a rainy miserable day but I hope everyone can have a cup of tea or something and calm down. (How's that for cultural assimilation?) Until later, cheers.
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« Reply #58 on: 15:50:54, 09-07-2008 » |
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I agree - and it's so sad how one single troll can so upset what was intended to be (and was treated by everyone else as) an amusing piece of chit-chat. It's not trollery, it's a serious point - I wonder whether you'd feel so ready to make your comments in public about contemporary music (and about real individuals involved with it), about politics and music, or about the situation with ethnic minorities in Britain if they were attached to your real name? You may say that - but I could not agree. What on earth has "comments about contemporary music", "real individuals involved with it", "politics and music" "ethnic minorities in Britain" GOT ANYTHING WHATSOEVER to do with a thread bearing the title "How did you come by your messageboard name?"? The answer is NOTHING - you have simply manufactured a contentious and disrespectful line of argument that has deliberately caused this topic (despite the valiant efforts of others along the way) to go completely off the rails. If that is not trollery, then what is?! Baz  |
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« Reply #59 on: 15:53:36, 09-07-2008 » |
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The best thing about anonymity is that it allows people to come up with all sorts of spurious excuses (for anonymity) without running the risk of being personally associated with those excuses. But there may be another side of the coin Ian - some other people may feel themselves to be just too important for everyone else to be permitted not to know who they really are. Indeed it should not be a surprise when such people occasionally go out of their way to remind us! We should also not be too shocked to note that their proclaimed "modesty" in doing this expresses itself by an attack upon those who choose to remain anonymous and thus appear to be "cowards". Baz I see that anonymity also allows people to come up with all sort of spurious reasons why others choose not to be anonymous. For me it’s only about one thing - accountability. |
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